<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
</head>
<body>
<p>I've pointed out my concerns multiple times on Twitter. It's a
cute thought experiment, but unfortunately will fall apart on
legal scrutiny. I could see a court completely invalidating the
Hippocratic License for example, either in whole or just the parts
that exclude those like ICE, Palentir, etc. from using software
licensed under it. If they wanted to actually have a license in
place that could do this, they need to use a framework that has
the backing of international law, but they haven't done that.
Honestly, it does little to stop those they wish to block from
using their software in any way.</p>
<p>I do agree they should go off on their own and not try to co-opt
the Open Source Software movement for their own selfish ends. This
is open season to discriminate against people. I don't support
this. Do I think they'll succeed? No. They'll find like-minded
folks -- but it won't actually stop organizations they don't want
using their software from doing so. <br>
<br>
I am really hoping that Coraline does not get a board seat because
it would be so detrimental to the Open Source movement. <br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/10/20 12:18 PM, Gil Yehuda via
License-discuss wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAB--ThZ1s4zhyQhoceURCs7p_BOZaXYWRZhqVL337r27qovFeQ@mail.gmail.com">
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>A few weeks ago I said that if I really wanted to know
about "ethical source licensing" I would join the ethical
source licensing discussion group. I was thinking at the time
that I'm actually interested in open source licensing -- which
is why I'm in <i>this</i> group. But I thought -- maybe I <i>should</i>
investigate first hand and come to <i>my own</i> conclusions
about this other movement. So I took my advice and requested
to join their slack group. Although it is not for skeptics --
and I applied, saying that I'm a skeptic, I was allowed to
join and given pre-reading to orient me.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I have many concerns with what I saw. The Ethical Source
Movement will face barriers and blockers to their success. The
best way to help them is to list the many concerns and provide
advice about addressing many of the issues they will
encounter. But I'm not motivated to help. Why? Their stated
approach is based on making changes to the open source
movement, that would undo years of valuable work in an attempt
to create other potential value. But I'm not seeing that
promise being realized given their approach, nor the risk
worth taking in trying.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I think discussions are good. But Coraline's message this
morning is that she's not continuing to be part of this
discussion. Moreover her message indicates that she's been
gathering feedback from this discussion in service to
enhancements to her work. Which means that we should consider
the value of continuing this conversation. We have an open
list (consistent with our ethos), the ethical source
movement's communications channel is not open. So this is
asymmetric at best. The way she framed her message makes it
seem exploitative.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I think this discussion list should focus on ways to help
the open source movement. If another movement wants to help,
wonderful. If they want to exist independently in service of
some other value, that's fine too. But I'm saddened to see
this discussion being used as it has. If I thought helping
them was a good idea I would urge them to reconsider their
approach so that their success is not predicated on exploiting
the open source movement.</div>
<div><br clear="all">
<div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"
data-smartmail="gmail_signature">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<p style="margin:0px;font-family:"Verizon NHG
DS",Arial,sans-serif;font-size:1em;text-align:left;line-height:100%;color:black"><span
style="font-weight:bold">Gil Yehuda</span><br>
</p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 9:41
AM Coraline Ada Ehmke <<a
href="mailto:coraline@idolhands.com" moz-do-not-send="true">coraline@idolhands.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">I’ve been trying to
cultivate the ability to extract actionable and constructive
feedback from even rude, confrontational, dismissive,
personal, or smug criticism. Thank you all for engaging, no
matter if your criticism was well-intended or no, and most
importantly for giving me the opportunity to learn in
public.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Watch for an important change on <a
href="https://ethicalsource.dev/definition"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://ethicalsource.dev/definition</a> next
week.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Not responding to this thread anymore, feel free to
carry on without me.</div>
</div>
_______________________________________________<br>
License-discuss mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:License-discuss@lists.opensource.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">License-discuss@lists.opensource.org</a><br>
<a
href="http://lists.opensource.org/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://lists.opensource.org/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org</a><br>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br>
<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">_______________________________________________
License-discuss mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:License-discuss@lists.opensource.org">License-discuss@lists.opensource.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.opensource.org/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org">http://lists.opensource.org/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
</body>
</html>