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This fork of the thread is veering into unnecessary, unilluminating,
and unkind rhetoric, and is the kind of conversation that gives the
OSI license lists a bad reputation. I suggest that it's time for
everyone to drop it.<br>
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Open Source Initiative<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/23/2020 11:17 AM, John Cowan
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10:30 AM Eric Schultz <<a href="mailto:eric@wwahammy.com"
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<div dir="auto">I know most of you think Rick is out of
line because I know you are good, thoughtful people.
It's not remotely enough to ignore this sidelining in
defense of a predator and hope it goes away. Take some
community leadership here and speak up at the very least
and illustrate what is out of line.<br>
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<div>I will indeed.</div>
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<div> In this paragraph you are employing one of the classic
techniques of propaganda: the bandwagon. "Join the crowd,
we are the silent majority, our victory is inevitable!" I
won't mention all the historical and present individuals and
groups that use(d) this technique, because I don't want to
suggest an equivalence between their views and yours.
Nevertheless, when I see a blatant attempt to propagandize
like this one, I become sharply less trustful of the
speaker, and I am a pretty unsuspicious person in general.</div>
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<div>Anyone coming into a community and saying something
unusual is subject to having their motives doubted. Here's
the usual personal (and therefore political) anecdote: When
I said on these lists that two Microsoft licenses were open
source and that OSI should certify them, I was attacked
elsewhere, first for being a paid shill for Microsoft, then
for being an *unconscious* shill. Not knowing how to refute
the second charge, I remained calm, pointed to evidence of
my character and views, spelled out the facts underlying my
opinion, and waited it out. You could have done the same.</div>
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<div>You are also, by the way, employing innuendo and assuming
facts not yet demonstrated. Three fallacies in two
sentences is pretty impressive if you like that sort of
thing. I don't myself, but tastes differ.</div>
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<div dir="auto">If I was a survivor of RMS' harassment or
a survivor of sexual assault or from a marginalized
group, I'm pretty sure I'd have left by now. That's not
acceptable.<br>
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<div>There are plenty of members of marginalized groups on
this list, including the largest such group. I have not
noticed any departures-in-a-huff, or a minute and a huff
either, because Rick Moen (who does not suffer fools
lightly, as I often do) has said something. But by all
means don't let the door hit you on the way out.</div>
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<div>I have done my best to illustrate what is out of line.</div>
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<div>~~ plonk ~~</div>
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<div>(Note: the .sig below was chosen in the usual way,
randomly from my list. The random numbers have been, I
think, particularly felicitous today.)</div>
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<div>John Cowan <a
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moz-do-not-send="true">http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan</a>
<a href="mailto:cowan@ccil.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">cowan@ccil.org</a><br>
He that would foil me must use such weapons as I do, for I
have not<br>
fed my readers with straw, neither will I be confuted with
stubble.<br>
--Thomas Vaughan (1650)<br>
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