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    <p>To address any doubt anyone may have, no decision is
      pre-determined, nor is the decision made unilaterally by OSI as an
      organization without respect for the contributions made by the
      community on L-R and elsewhere. I think that's apparent from the
      vigorous discussion that is still ongoing, including active
      participation by OSI Board members, and the length of time that
      this license has been under review.<br>
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      Nonetheless, we received, further confirmed, and are honoring
      Bruce's request and he is no longer subscribed to any of the OSI
      mailing lists.</p>
    <p>Pam</p>
    Pamela Chestek<br>
    Chair, License Committee <br>
    Open Source Initiative<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/2/20 12:43 AM, Bruce Perens via
      License-review wrote:<br>
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        <div>Well, it seems to me that the organization is rather
          enthusiastically headed toward accepting a license that isn't
          freedom respecting. Fine, do it without me, please. I asked
          Patrick to cancel my membership, and I would have unsubscribed
          from OSI lists, including this one, if your server was
          working. I own an interest in 10 Open Source companies and
          manage a 50 Million dollar portfolio investing in them. That
          will keep me involved enough.</div>
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        <div>    Thanks</div>
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        <div>    Bruce<br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 9:18 PM
          Joshua R. Simmons <<a
            href="mailto:josh.simmons@opensource.org"
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          <div dir="ltr">That's out of line, Bruce. I'm not sure where
            this FUD is coming from, but it's inappropriate.<br>
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            Regardless of my own views, I quite value Bradley's
            contribution, as well as Van's engaging the process and
            responding to criticism in good faith.<br>
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            I've been following the discussions closely and, frankly, it
            seems a decent model of critical civil discourse. Let's keep
            it that way.
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            <div>(Apologies for the re-send, had to square away some
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                                  <p style="font-size:12.8px">Josh
                                    Simmons, VP at Open Source
                                    Initiative (Tax ID 91-2037395)<br>
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                                      moz-do-not-send="true">@joshsimmons</a><span
                                      style="font-size:12.8px"> | <a
                                        href="mailto:josh@opensource.org"
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                                        moz-do-not-send="true">josh@opensource.org</a>
                                      | </span><span
                                      style="font-size:12.8px">1-707-600-6098
                                      | </span><span
                                      style="font-size:12.8px">bluesomewhere
                                      on Freenode<br>
                                    </span><span
                                      style="font-size:12.8px">ad astra
                                      per aspera 🚀</span></p>
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            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at
              8:53 PM Bruce Perens via License-review <<a
                href="mailto:license-review@lists.opensource.org"
                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">license-review@lists.opensource.org</a>>
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              <div dir="ltr">Don't waste your time, Bradley. They were
                told not to listen to you, either. </div>
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at
                  6:29 PM Bradley M. Kuhn <<a
                    href="mailto:bkuhn@ebb.org" target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">bkuhn@ebb.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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                  rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I can't find an
                  example when OSI approved a novel copyleft license
                  that<br>
                  hadn't yet been used in practice and therefore had no
                  track record of use<br>
                  for any FOSS project.  It was once somewhat common for
                  OSI to approve<br>
                  licenses that were used by only one entity, and most
                  of those licenses were<br>
                  never used beyond the one project, and even most of
                  those entities have<br>
                  deprecated those by now.  (OSI also made a decision to
                  cease considering<br>
                  such single-use licenses.)  Rapid acceptance of a
                  novel licenses, so far<br>
                  unused in practice, causes confusion in the FOSS
                  community.<br>
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                  Folks have shouted down Bruce as he wonders how Van's
                  license will be used<br>
                  in practice.  I think Bruce has made a useful point on
                  this thread: as a<br>
                  general matter, it's relevant that we consider how the
                  license impacts<br>
                  users' *and* software publishers' software freedoms in
                  *practice*, not<br>
                  merely *in theory*.<br>
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                  In that regard, I'd like to know if the project that
                  plans to use this<br>
                  license will be inbound=outbound (i.e., is the entity
                  that's promulgating<br>
                  this new license willing to bound themselves by the
                  license terms)?  Van,<br>
                  could you tell us, on behalf of your client (who
                  appears to be the only<br>
                  potential licensor interested in this license), what
                  their contribution<br>
                  plans are regarding this license?  Are they planning
                  to accept contributions<br>
                  under this license, and thus be bound by it for their
                  FOSS projects?<br>
                  If not, why not?<br>
                  -- <br>
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                  Bradley M. Kuhn - he/him<br>
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                  Pls. support the charity where I work, Software
                  Freedom Conservancy:<br>
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                    <div dir="ltr">Bruce Perens - Partner, <a
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            <div dir="ltr">Bruce Perens - Partner, <a
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