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<p>To address any doubt anyone may have, no decision is
pre-determined, nor is the decision made unilaterally by OSI as an
organization without respect for the contributions made by the
community on L-R and elsewhere. I think that's apparent from the
vigorous discussion that is still ongoing, including active
participation by OSI Board members, and the length of time that
this license has been under review.<br>
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Nonetheless, we received, further confirmed, and are honoring
Bruce's request and he is no longer subscribed to any of the OSI
mailing lists.</p>
<p>Pam</p>
Pamela Chestek<br>
Chair, License Committee <br>
Open Source Initiative<br>
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<div>Well, it seems to me that the organization is rather
enthusiastically headed toward accepting a license that isn't
freedom respecting. Fine, do it without me, please. I asked
Patrick to cancel my membership, and I would have unsubscribed
from OSI lists, including this one, if your server was
working. I own an interest in 10 Open Source companies and
manage a 50 Million dollar portfolio investing in them. That
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<div dir="ltr">That's out of line, Bruce. I'm not sure where
this FUD is coming from, but it's inappropriate.<br>
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Regardless of my own views, I quite value Bradley's
contribution, as well as Van's engaging the process and
responding to criticism in good faith.<br>
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I've been following the discussions closely and, frankly, it
seems a decent model of critical civil discourse. Let's keep
it that way.
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Simmons, VP at Open Source
Initiative (Tax ID 91-2037395)<br>
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| </span><span
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on Freenode<br>
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8:53 PM Bruce Perens via License-review <<a
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<div dir="ltr">Don't waste your time, Bradley. They were
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6:29 PM Bradley M. Kuhn <<a
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example when OSI approved a novel copyleft license
that<br>
hadn't yet been used in practice and therefore had no
track record of use<br>
for any FOSS project. It was once somewhat common for
OSI to approve<br>
licenses that were used by only one entity, and most
of those licenses were<br>
never used beyond the one project, and even most of
those entities have<br>
deprecated those by now. (OSI also made a decision to
cease considering<br>
such single-use licenses.) Rapid acceptance of a
novel licenses, so far<br>
unused in practice, causes confusion in the FOSS
community.<br>
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Folks have shouted down Bruce as he wonders how Van's
license will be used<br>
in practice. I think Bruce has made a useful point on
this thread: as a<br>
general matter, it's relevant that we consider how the
license impacts<br>
users' *and* software publishers' software freedoms in
*practice*, not<br>
merely *in theory*.<br>
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In that regard, I'd like to know if the project that
plans to use this<br>
license will be inbound=outbound (i.e., is the entity
that's promulgating<br>
this new license willing to bound themselves by the
license terms)? Van,<br>
could you tell us, on behalf of your client (who
appears to be the only<br>
potential licensor interested in this license), what
their contribution<br>
plans are regarding this license? Are they planning
to accept contributions<br>
under this license, and thus be bound by it for their
FOSS projects?<br>
If not, why not?<br>
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Bradley M. Kuhn - he/him<br>
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Pls. support the charity where I work, Software
Freedom Conservancy:<br>
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moz-do-not-send="true">https://sfconservancy.org/supporter/</a><br>
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