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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">There are posted archives of the license-review mailing list going back to December 2007, which is when Russ Nelson set up the new system:
<a href="https://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-review_lists.opensource.org/">
https://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-review_lists.opensource.org/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Looks like AGPLv3 was submitted in January of 2008, and there was a bit of discussion about it into February:
</span><a href="https://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-review_lists.opensource.org/2008-January/000058.html">https://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-review_lists.opensource.org/2008-January/000058.html</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Interestingly, I didn’t see AGPLv3 in any of the License Committee reports of that era. And I couldn’t see, through the Wayback Machine, that AGPLv1 ever got
on the OSI list (although I haven’t done a comprehensive search of those archives).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">FWIW, it does not appear that there was much of a discussion of the network access clause in 2008, although there was precedent for that in the External Deployment
language of OSL circa 2005. Perhaps there is discussion there, if one were to search the Wayback Machine archives of the mailing lists.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_____replyseparator"></a><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> License-discuss [mailto:license-discuss-bounces@lists.opensource.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Russell McOrmond<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 14, 2019 6:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> license-discuss@lists.opensource.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [License-discuss] Discussion: AGPL and Open Source Definition conflict<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would also like to see some documentation of the thinking that went into OSI's approval of the AGPL, to better understand the precedent that they were setting (or even if the precedent setting nature of this approval was understood).
While it is obvious that there is a serious conflict in the case of common internet protocols, the same problem exists with any network interfaces using any protocol.<o:p></o:p></p>
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What exactly does the AGPL intend when the software itself is a library that does not itself have any network interface? In my case one example is <a href="https://github.com/artefactual-labs/mets-reader-writer">https://github.com/artefactual-labs/mets-reader-writer</a> which
is a library that should have been licensed under the LGPL or even GPL, but where the AGPL was unfortunately chosen making the library too risky to use.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 9:36 AM Howard Chu <<a href="mailto:hyc@openldap.org">hyc@openldap.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Clause #10 of the definition <a href="https://opensource.org/docs/osd" target="_blank">
https://opensource.org/docs/osd</a><br>
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10. License Must Be Technology-Neutral<br>
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No provision of the license may be predicated on any individual technology or style of interface.<br>
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I note that the Affero GPL <a href="https://www.gnu.org/licenses/agpl-3.0.en.html" target="_blank">
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/agpl-3.0.en.html</a> clause #13<br>
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13. Remote Network Interaction; Use with the GNU General Public License.<br>
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Notwithstanding any other provision of this License, if you modify the Program, your modified version must prominently offer all users interacting with it<br>
remotely through a computer network (if your version supports such interaction) an opportunity to receive the Corresponding Source of your version by providing<br>
access to the Corresponding Source from a network server at no charge, through some standard or customary means of facilitating copying of software.<br>
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violates the OSD clause #10. This issue arose specifically in the case of OpenLDAP when<br>
Oracle relicensed BerkeleyDB 6.x using AGPL. There is no available mechanism in the LDAP<br>
Protocol to allow us to comply with clause #13 of the AGPL. I believe the same is true of<br>
many common internet protocols such as SMTP, FTP, POP, IMAP, etc., which thus now precludes<br>
servers for these protocols from using BerkeleyDB. It appears to me that AGPL is plainly<br>
incompatible with the OSD and should not be an OSI approved license.<br>
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This is no longer a pressing issue for us since we have subsequently abandoned BerkeleyDB<br>
in favor of LMDB. But I thought I should point it out since it may affect other projects.<br>
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-- <br>
-- Howard Chu<br>
CTO, Symas Corp. <a href="http://www.symas.com" target="_blank">http://www.symas.com</a><br>
Director, Highland Sun <a href="http://highlandsun.com/hyc/" target="_blank">http://highlandsun.com/hyc/</a><br>
Chief Architect, OpenLDAP <a href="http://www.openldap.org/project/" target="_blank">
http://www.openldap.org/project/</a><br>
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