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    No matter how long you beat your drum, or under how many email
    aliases and pseudonyms, no one is buying your arguments here or on
    any other list.<br>
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    Pam<br>
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    <div class="moz-signature">Pamela S. Chestek<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/17/2019 11:32 PM, Alexander
      Terekhov wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAGkaBH1v1+TefHkxpf3dAjyL7xMsu9C6U6wMb9PYdhUf=H=Apw@mail.gmail.com">
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      <div dir="ltr">See, e.g., SoftMan Prods. Co. v. Adobe Sys. Inc.,
        171 F. Supp. 2d 1075, 1083
        (C.D. Cal. 2001).
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          <div><a
href="https://www.linuxjournal.com/files/linuxjournal.com/linuxjournal/articles/056/5628/softman-v-adobe.html"
              moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.linuxjournal.com/files/linuxjournal.com/linuxjournal/articles/056/5628/softman-v-adobe.html</a> 
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        <div>I've collected most relevant stuff here:</div>
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        <div><a
href="https://groups.google.com/d/msg/gnu.misc.discuss/jd7DiFRiH98/MaCxHL-lfpkJ"
            moz-do-not-send="true">https://groups.google.com/d/msg/gnu.misc.discuss/jd7DiFRiH98/MaCxHL-lfpkJ</a><br>
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        <div>Such as:</div>
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        <div><span style="font-size:13px">"...the following factors
            require a finding that </span><br style="font-size:13px">
          <span style="font-size:13px">distributing software under
            licenses transfers individual copy </span><br
            style="font-size:13px">
          <span style="font-size:13px">ownership: temporally unlimited
            possession, absence of time </span><br
            style="font-size:13px">
          <span style="font-size:13px">limits on copy possession,
            pricing and payment schemes that are </span><br
            style="font-size:13px">
          <span style="font-size:13px">unitary not serial, licenses
            under which subsequent transfer is </span><br
            style="font-size:13px">
          <span style="font-size:13px">neither prohibited nor
            conditioned on obtaining the licensor’s </span><br
            style="font-size:13px">
          <span style="font-size:13px">prior approval (only subject to a
            prohibition against rental and </span><br
            style="font-size:13px">
          <span style="font-size:13px">a requirement that any transfer
            be of the entity), and licenses </span><br
            style="font-size:13px">
          <span style="font-size:13px">under which the use restrictions
            principal purpose is to protect</span><br
            style="font-size:13px">
          <span style="font-size:13px">intangible copyrightable subject
            matter, and not to preserve </span><br
            style="font-size:13px">
          <span style="font-size:13px">property interests in individual
            program copies. Id. at 172.</span> "</div>
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        <div>Unless you deliberately confuse ownership of copyright with
          ownership of copies it must be clear to you that all copies of
          copylefted works falls under 17 USC 109 and 17 USC 117.  <br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Am Mi., 17. Juli 2019 um
          15:50 Uhr schrieb Pamela Chestek <<a
            href="mailto:pamela@chesteklegal.com" moz-do-not-send="true">pamela@chesteklegal.com</a>>:<br>
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          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Your citations to cases that aren't
            analogous aren't convincing.<br>
            <br>
            Pam<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <div class="gmail-m_4414458293503084483moz-signature">Pamela
              S. Chestek<br>
              Chestek Legal<br>
              PO Box 2492<br>
              Raleigh, NC 27602<br>
              +1 919-800-8033<br>
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                href="mailto:pamela@chesteklegal.com" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">pamela@chesteklegal.com</a><br>
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                href="http://www.chesteklegal.com" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">www.chesteklegal.com</a><br>
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            <div class="gmail-m_4414458293503084483moz-cite-prefix">On
              7/16/19 3:20 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote:<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">Story end:<br>
                <br>
                <a
href="https://www.itassetmanagement.net/2016/10/31/secondary-software-2016/"
                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.itassetmanagement.net/2016/10/31/secondary-software-2016/</a><br>
                <a
href="https://www.usedsoft.com/en/lawyer-christian-ballke-on-the-legal-basis-for-the-trade-in-used-software/"
                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.usedsoft.com/en/lawyer-christian-ballke-on-the-legal-basis-for-the-trade-in-used-software/</a><br>
                <br>
                Funny:<br>
                <br>
                <a
                  href="http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20110929014241932"
                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20110929014241932</a><br>
                ("Psystar Loses its Appeal; Licensees Have No First-Sale
                Rights; Costs Awarded to Apple ~ pj")<br>
                 <br>
                "But there is one more important result here. Do you
                remember all the predictions on message boards all over
                the web by anti-GPL activists like Alexander Terekhov
                that someone could get a copy of Linux, under the GPL,
                and then make copies and sell them under another
                license, under the first sale doctrine? That fantasy has
                just died a permanent death. It was never true that one
                can do that. But now we can prove it with this Psystar
                ruling. Yes, Psystar can ask the US Supreme Court to
                review this. But seriously, what are the odds?"</div>
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Am So., 14. Juli 2019
                  um 19:55 Uhr schrieb Alexander Terekhov <<a
                    href="mailto:herr.alter@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">herr.alter@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
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                    <div dir="ltr">BTW, after Vernor v. Autodesk there
                      was UMG vs. Augusto:<br>
                      <br>
                      <a
href="http://www.phphosts.org/blog/2011/01/court-rules-that-its-legal-to-sell-promotional-cds/"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.phphosts.org/blog/2011/01/court-rules-that-its-legal-to-sell-promotional-cds/</a>
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                    <div>See also:</div>
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                    <div><a
href="https://www.pcworld.com/article/258720/eu_court_rules_resale_of_used_software_licenses_is_legal_even_online.html"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.pcworld.com/article/258720/eu_court_rules_resale_of_used_software_licenses_is_legal_even_online.html</a>  <br>
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                      Am So., 14. Juli 2019 um 16:01 Uhr schrieb Pamela
                      Chestek <<a
                        href="mailto:pamela@chesteklegal.com"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">pamela@chesteklegal.com</a>>:<br>
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                        <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> On 7/13/2019 6:58 AM,
                          Alexander Terekhov wrote:<br>
                          <blockquote type="cite">
                            <div dir="ltr">The thing is that 17 USC 117
                              makes the act of running/using software
                              unrestricted and 17 USC 109 also severely
                              impedes ability to control distribution as
                              far as copyright is concerned. So, you'll
                              have to stick to contractual covenants and
                              fight against <a
                                href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficient_breach"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficient_breach</a>
                              ... good luck with that :)<br>
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                          In both cases, only if you are the owner of a
                          copy. "Licensees are not entitled to the
                          essential step defense." <i>Vernor v.
                            Autodesk, Inc.</i>, 621 F.3d 1102, 1111 (9th
                          Cir. 2010). It is a rare decision that holds
                          that a party is an owner of a copy of software
                          rather than a licensee. <br>
                          <br>
                          Pam<br>
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