<div dir="ltr">Please don't confuse me with <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Pregerson">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Pregerson</a><br><br><a href="https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp2/171/1075/2488277/">https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp2/171/1075/2488277/</a> <br><br>"Other courts have reached the same conclusion: software is sold and not licensed. " :)<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Am Do., 18. Juli 2019 um 15:51 Uhr schrieb Pamela Chestek <<a href="mailto:pamela@chesteklegal.com">pamela@chesteklegal.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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No matter how long you beat your drum, or under how many email
aliases and pseudonyms, no one is buying your arguments here or on
any other list.<br>
<br>
Pam<br>
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<div class="gmail-m_5827145589431094581moz-cite-prefix">On 7/17/2019 11:32 PM, Alexander
Terekhov wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">See, e.g., SoftMan Prods. Co. v. Adobe Sys. Inc.,
171 F. Supp. 2d 1075, 1083
(C.D. Cal. 2001).
<div><br>
<div><a href="https://www.linuxjournal.com/files/linuxjournal.com/linuxjournal/articles/056/5628/softman-v-adobe.html" target="_blank">https://www.linuxjournal.com/files/linuxjournal.com/linuxjournal/articles/056/5628/softman-v-adobe.html</a>
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<div>I've collected most relevant stuff here:</div>
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<div><a href="https://groups.google.com/d/msg/gnu.misc.discuss/jd7DiFRiH98/MaCxHL-lfpkJ" target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/d/msg/gnu.misc.discuss/jd7DiFRiH98/MaCxHL-lfpkJ</a><br>
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<div>Such as:</div>
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<div><span style="font-size:13px">"...the following factors
require a finding that </span><br style="font-size:13px">
<span style="font-size:13px">distributing software under
licenses transfers individual copy </span><br style="font-size:13px">
<span style="font-size:13px">ownership: temporally unlimited
possession, absence of time </span><br style="font-size:13px">
<span style="font-size:13px">limits on copy possession,
pricing and payment schemes that are </span><br style="font-size:13px">
<span style="font-size:13px">unitary not serial, licenses
under which subsequent transfer is </span><br style="font-size:13px">
<span style="font-size:13px">neither prohibited nor
conditioned on obtaining the licensor’s </span><br style="font-size:13px">
<span style="font-size:13px">prior approval (only subject to a
prohibition against rental and </span><br style="font-size:13px">
<span style="font-size:13px">a requirement that any transfer
be of the entity), and licenses </span><br style="font-size:13px">
<span style="font-size:13px">under which the use restrictions
principal purpose is to protect</span><br style="font-size:13px">
<span style="font-size:13px">intangible copyrightable subject
matter, and not to preserve </span><br style="font-size:13px">
<span style="font-size:13px">property interests in individual
program copies. Id. at 172.</span> "</div>
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<div>Unless you deliberately confuse ownership of copyright with
ownership of copies it must be clear to you that all copies of
copylefted works falls under 17 USC 109 and 17 USC 117. <br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Am Mi., 17. Juli 2019 um
15:50 Uhr schrieb Pamela Chestek <<a href="mailto:pamela@chesteklegal.com" target="_blank">pamela@chesteklegal.com</a>>:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Your citations to cases that aren't
analogous aren't convincing.<br>
<br>
Pam<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail-m_5827145589431094581gmail-m_4414458293503084483moz-signature">Pamela
S. Chestek<br>
Chestek Legal<br>
PO Box 2492<br>
Raleigh, NC 27602<br>
+1 919-800-8033<br>
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<div class="gmail-m_5827145589431094581gmail-m_4414458293503084483moz-cite-prefix">On
7/16/19 3:20 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Story end:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://www.itassetmanagement.net/2016/10/31/secondary-software-2016/" target="_blank">https://www.itassetmanagement.net/2016/10/31/secondary-software-2016/</a><br>
<a href="https://www.usedsoft.com/en/lawyer-christian-ballke-on-the-legal-basis-for-the-trade-in-used-software/" target="_blank">https://www.usedsoft.com/en/lawyer-christian-ballke-on-the-legal-basis-for-the-trade-in-used-software/</a><br>
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Funny:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20110929014241932" target="_blank">http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20110929014241932</a><br>
("Psystar Loses its Appeal; Licensees Have No First-Sale
Rights; Costs Awarded to Apple ~ pj")<br>
<br>
"But there is one more important result here. Do you
remember all the predictions on message boards all over
the web by anti-GPL activists like Alexander Terekhov
that someone could get a copy of Linux, under the GPL,
and then make copies and sell them under another
license, under the first sale doctrine? That fantasy has
just died a permanent death. It was never true that one
can do that. But now we can prove it with this Psystar
ruling. Yes, Psystar can ask the US Supreme Court to
review this. But seriously, what are the odds?"</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Am So., 14. Juli 2019
um 19:55 Uhr schrieb Alexander Terekhov <<a href="mailto:herr.alter@gmail.com" target="_blank">herr.alter@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">BTW, after Vernor v. Autodesk there
was UMG vs. Augusto:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.phphosts.org/blog/2011/01/court-rules-that-its-legal-to-sell-promotional-cds/" target="_blank">http://www.phphosts.org/blog/2011/01/court-rules-that-its-legal-to-sell-promotional-cds/</a>
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<div>See also:</div>
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<div><a href="https://www.pcworld.com/article/258720/eu_court_rules_resale_of_used_software_licenses_is_legal_even_online.html" target="_blank">https://www.pcworld.com/article/258720/eu_court_rules_resale_of_used_software_licenses_is_legal_even_online.html</a> <br>
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Am So., 14. Juli 2019 um 16:01 Uhr schrieb Pamela
Chestek <<a href="mailto:pamela@chesteklegal.com" target="_blank">pamela@chesteklegal.com</a>>:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> On 7/13/2019 6:58 AM,
Alexander Terekhov wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The thing is that 17 USC 117
makes the act of running/using software
unrestricted and 17 USC 109 also severely
impedes ability to control distribution as
far as copyright is concerned. So, you'll
have to stick to contractual covenants and
fight against <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficient_breach" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficient_breach</a>
... good luck with that :)<br>
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In both cases, only if you are the owner of a
copy. "Licensees are not entitled to the
essential step defense." <i>Vernor v.
Autodesk, Inc.</i>, 621 F.3d 1102, 1111 (9th
Cir. 2010). It is a rare decision that holds
that a party is an owner of a copy of software
rather than a licensee. <br>
<br>
Pam<br>
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