<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>Two points. First, and most importantly:</div><div><br></div><div>
<div>Bruce Perens wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
I don't believe that FSF has ever made any statement in favor of
encumbering the data processed by their programs. I don't believe they
will. And I don't believe that encumbering user data is in any way a
step <i>forward </i>for the freedom of that user.
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><u><b>This is incorrect</b></u>. <i><u><b>Data is never encumbered by the CAL</b></u></i>.
The CAL does not change the licensing or ownership of user data in any
way. All it says is that if a third party owns data that is processed by
CAL-licensed software, you have to give that third party the ability to
get a copy back. <br></div><div><br></div><div>(Look at me, slaughtering helpless typographic conventions in my great distress).<br></div>
</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Bruce Perens further wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Software system administrators are not always SaaS providers. And users are often administrators of their own software, that is a fundamental point of Free Software, that you _can_ do that. <br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don't really understand the thrust of this comment. If users are acting as "administrators of their own software", then the data portability elements of the CAL are basically irrelevant. It is only when a person runs software as an administrator<i> on behalf of other users</i> that data portability becomes an issue.</div><div><br></div><div> For example, if I ran a hypothetical CAL-licensed OwnCloud server for my personal use, then I have no obligations under the CAL; this is the space of unrestricted private use that is provided for under the CAL.</div><div><br></div><div>I can even use a CAL-licensed OwnCloud server for my organization; that is still in the realm of unrestricted private use.</div><div><br></div><div>It is only when I run a CAL-licensed OwnCloud server as a service on behalf of unrelated third parties that I would have an issue - and compliance with the CAL would simply mean that I would be responsible for giving those third parties 1) access to the source code, and 2) to each user a copy of their personal data stored via the service.</div><div><br></div><div>
And more broadly, are "users" of SaaS programs not "users"? If I am not administering my own software, does that mean that software freedom is not applicable to me?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,<br></div><div>Van<br></div><br><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div></div></div>