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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Bruce Perens wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>> </span>Larry, what about companies that separate their patent-holding entity from their operational entity, the entity that touches Open Source, and the entity that brings lawsuits? I do know for a fact that Qualcomm operates a separate entity for their Open Source involvement.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Bruce, I won't speak directly about Qualcomm and that typical IP solution that such companies create. Nor will I speak about all other open source licenses, but I tried to define "You" and "Control" appropriately in the OSL/AFL 3.0 in order specifically to address that problem. Perhaps clever lawyers can address clever workarounds?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>We know the BSD doesn't even try to address them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Best, /Larry<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>From:</b> Bruce Perens <bruce@perens.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 23, 2019 11:44 AM<br><b>To:</b> Lawrence Rosen <lrosen@rosenlaw.com>; license-discuss@lists.opensource.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [License-discuss] comprehensiveness (or not) of the OSI-approved list<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Larry, what about companies that separate their patent-holding entity from their operational entity, the entity that touches Open Source, and the entity that brings lawsuits? I do know for a fact that Qualcomm operates a separate entity for their Open Source involvement.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> Thanks<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> Bruce<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 10:42 AM Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=gmail-m4355193190367802507msoplaintext style='margin-left:1.0in'>Nicholas Matthew Neft Weinstock wrote:<br>> . If a program has functionality covered by a patent owned by a completely unrelated 3rd party, the program's license doesn't give all the Patent rights a user needs. At best, you could claim that the program's license gives all the Patent rights FROM THE IDENTIFIED CONTRIBUTORS that a user needs.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m4355193190367802507msoplaintext style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m4355193190367802507msoplaintext style='margin-left:.5in'>Don't forget the important defensive termination provisions in some licenses. If the copyright license to an important open source program is terminated because of the filing by that third party of a patent lawsuit against that program, this may be a sufficient defense for protecting our software. Even third parties must be careful who they sue.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m4355193190367802507msoplaintext style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m4355193190367802507msoplaintext style='margin-left:.5in'>/Larry<o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m4355193190367802507msoplaintext style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>_______________________________________________<br>License-discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:License-discuss@lists.opensource.org" target="_blank">License-discuss@lists.opensource.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.opensource.org/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org" target="_blank">http://lists.opensource.org/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Bruce Perens - Partner, <a href="http://OSS.Capital" target="_blank">OSS.Capital</a>.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>