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    Moved to license-discuss, since it's not specifically about CAL.<br>
    <br>
    On 5/11/2019 1:48 PM, Smith, McCoy wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:2D52F7EE739F8542A700CAB96276B5198B10818F@fmsmsx117.amr.corp.intel.com">
      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I’m
          with Luis on this.  I laid out a test at CopyleftConf on how I
          personally think the decision process should go:<br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><span
            style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt
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            </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Licenses
          should be evaluated solely on their fidelity to the standards
          of freedom/openness, and the quality of their drafting in
          meeting those standards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><span
            style="mso-list:Ignore">a.<span style="font:7.0pt
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            </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Experimentation
          is not necessarily a bad thing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><span
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            </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Even
          failed experimentation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><span
            style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt
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    <br>
    <snip><br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:2D52F7EE739F8542A700CAB96276B5198B10818F@fmsmsx117.amr.corp.intel.com">
      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
          do think it ought to be made clear, though, whether Freedom
          Zero is part of the OSD. I think we’ve had some debate in the
          past as to whether it was (I think it is inherently so, but I
          don’t see that the OSD makes that explicitly clear).  If it is
          not, I don’t see how that’s a valid reason to reject any
          license.</span></p>
    </blockquote>
    McCoy,<br>
    <br>
    A hard rule of "if you can't name an OSD the license doesn't meet it
    must be approved" doesn't leave room for stuff that we all clearly
    agree doesn't belong, what I think of as the Section 101 problem for
    open source licenses.* What if it's just outside the concept? Say I
    write a license that is a grant of all patent and copyright rights
    but as the only condition of the license you have to come to my
    house and feed my goats on Fridays. I don't see any definition that
    doesn't comply with, so it should be approved as an open source
    license? <br>
    <br>
    You can contort OSD 5 and 6 to justify it, "you're excluding people
    who don't live near you!/are allergic to goats!/are doing more
    socially beneficial things on Fridays!" As Richard Fontana said
    earlier in the CAL thread, you can rationalize OSD 5 & 6 to
    claim discrimination for any limitation. GPL discriminates against
    those who won't add their name to a modified file (Section 2(a))
    because they are being harassed for working in free software. So I
    am skeptical of any theory under OSD 5 & 6 because you can
    always find someone who hypothetically is being discriminated
    against.<br>
    <br>
    How do you address the "outside of the scope" problem?<br>
    <br>
    Pam<br>
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    Pamela S. Chestek<br>
    Chestek Legal<br>
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    *A reference to Section 101 of the Patent Act, which describes what
    is patentable subject matter. There is a school of thought that
    patents cannot be invalidated simply because they don't meet the
    requirements of Section 101.<br>
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