<div dir="ltr"><div>OK. I will try to generate a two-sentence clause that preserves the customer's specific fears in their selected wording while being broader and not a use restriction, and submit it for your approval.</div><div><br></div><div> Thanks</div><div><br></div><div> Bruce</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 7:15 AM VanL <<a href="mailto:van.lindberg@gmail.com">van.lindberg@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>This is best thought of as an extended anti-Tivoization clause. It concerns a particular type of attack on user freedom that can arise in the context of distributed systems that use cryptographic primitives as functional and addressing elements. It is related to, but broader than, the concept of capabilities in software. <br></div><div><br></div><div>By analogy: Tivoization uses a cryptographic primitive to deny effective freedom to recipients of software. They can create derivative works, but they are unable to meaningfully exercise that freedom because the hardware will not run a non-signed version.</div><div><br></div><div>In the context of Holochain, cryptographic primitives are used for identity and for processing data (they are literally part of the "virtual machine" that runs various types of mobile code). This clause is meant to ensure that each Recipient has the freedom to use the software to process their own data and to control their own identity. Thus, a negative limitation, analogous to the GPLv3 restriction on Tivoization, that is only meant to prevent a licensee from exercising the rights in a way that prejudices later Recipients and practically denies them the same permissions received.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,<br></div><div>Van<br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 6:35 PM Bruce Perens <<a href="mailto:bruce@perens.com" target="_blank">bruce@perens.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 1:53 PM VanL <<a href="mailto:van.lindberg@gmail.com" target="_blank">van.lindberg@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>I agree with you on this one. However, the phrasing of this particular element was important to my client. I did try to make sure that the broader language (as you suggest) was also present - see 2.3(a) and (b).</div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Could you ask your client to discuss what is important here, a bit more for us?</div><div><br></div><div>I would like to see if cleaner wording will actually be acceptable. Right now it comes across as a software use restriction, and is possibly problematical within OSD #6, and I don't think there's any real intentional reason for that and what the customer wants can be done without any hint of trouble. Plus although you have added provisions to fill in, the sum is more complicated than is really necessary.</div><div><br></div><div> Thanks</div><div><br></div><div> Bruce</div></div></div>
_______________________________________________<br>
License-discuss mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:License-discuss@lists.opensource.org" target="_blank">License-discuss@lists.opensource.org</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.opensource.org/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.opensource.org/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org</a><br>
</blockquote></div>
_______________________________________________<br>
License-discuss mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:License-discuss@lists.opensource.org" target="_blank">License-discuss@lists.opensource.org</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.opensource.org/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.opensource.org/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org</a><br>
</blockquote></div></div>