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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Given where we currently are in the Google/Oracle case, I’m curious how you define API (or if you define it at all).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Would it require copylefting code that implements an API that is non-copyrightable, or implements an API when such implementation would be fair use?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Anyway, I’ll be at CopyleftCon so maybe I can just ask these questions after your presentation. Sounds like maybe you’re going to address current state of the
law and how you think that can allow copyleft to expand.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_____replyseparator"></a><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> License-discuss [mailto:license-discuss-bounces@lists.opensource.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bruce Perens<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 31, 2019 9:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> license-discuss@lists.opensource.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [License-discuss] Developing a new open source license<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Van,<br>
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With all respect and understanding of the motivations of the group behind this, I have a really big problem with this part:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Unlike other current open source licenses, the Autonomous Agent License will require software that implements a compatible API or publicly performs the API to also be open source.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am the standards chair of the Open Source Initiative. <b>If the provision you propose in this license was used by standards associations, they could trivially prohibit Open Source implementations of their standard APIs.</b> This is obviously
something that OSI would have to fight in court.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thus, it's a really, really bad idea for OSI to stand for such a provision by approving a license containing it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Also, almost trivially compared to the above issue, this obviously violates OSD #9.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So, unfortunately I really have to recommend in the strongest way that a license incorporating that term not be approved.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Sorry<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Bruce<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 9:17 AM VanL <<a href="mailto:van.lindberg@gmail.com">van.lindberg@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have been retained to help develop a new, strong copyleft open source license for a client, Holo Ltd. We have been going back and forth internally for a little while and we will shortly be putting out a draft for public comment. After
the public comment period, we will be submitting the license to the OSI for certification.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I will also be discussing this license in my presentation at CopyleftConf on Monday.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In the meantime, some of the underlying reasoning for why we need a different open source license is being presented on Holo's blog. The first post is up now, and the second will be up in a couple days:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://medium.com/h-o-l-o/why-we-need-a-new-open-source-license-c8faf8a8dadd" target="_blank">https://medium.com/h-o-l-o/why-we-need-a-new-open-source-license-c8faf8a8dadd</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Comments are welcome.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Van<o:p></o:p></p>
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