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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Nick Weinstock proposed:<br>> </span>A clear statement about API interaction sounds like it would go a long way to clarify this section.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Bruce Perens wrote:<br>> </span>Nobody will ever make such a statement, because it would make it easier for you to do things they don't want you to do.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Bruce, I'm trying to parse this. Is "doing things" good or bad, legal or illegal, ethical or unethical, what FSF wants or doesn't want, what Bruce Perens desires or hates?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I freely implemented APIs from the day I first became a programmer. You should tell us all what you mean so I know if I was a saint or a sinner.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Bravo to Nick! /Larry<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>From:</b> License-discuss <license-discuss-bounces@lists.opensource.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bruce Perens<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 22, 2019 3:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> license-discuss@lists.opensource.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [License-discuss] Intimacy in open source (SSPL and AGPL)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Nobody will ever make such a statement, because it would make it easier for you to do things they don't want you to do.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 2:18 PM Nicholas Matthew Neft Weinstock <<a href="mailto:nweinsto@qti.qualcomm.com">nweinsto@qti.qualcomm.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'>A clear statement about API interaction sounds like it would go a long way to clarify this section.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'>Some additional considerations:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m4826398025326005214msolistparagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]>What about internal vs external APIs, so internal APIs are “intimate” but external APIs aren’t, similar to the Kernel’s UAPI? <o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m4826398025326005214msolistparagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]>Could a library require API callers be under (A)GPLv3? Or would it need to use something like the Kernel’s MODULE_LICENSE interface?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m4826398025326005214msolistparagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]>What is necessary for API extensions to be considered “documented user calls and data structures”? Is it sufficient for the maintainers to integrate source modifications even if the accompanying documentation isn’t updated? Is it sufficient for source modifications to be publicly submitted to the maintainers? What if either of those were maintainers of a distinct fork rather than the original project? Is it sufficient for me to publish my modified version on my personal GitHub page as a one-time fork?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></body></html>