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<p class="MsoNormal">Larry,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If there is non-monetary consideration present in open source licenses then then “without payment of royalties or other consideration†would exclude most, if not nearly all, OSI approved licenses using your definition.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The part of the definition we all would likely agree with would be “without payment of royaltiesâ€. How much “other consideration†is too much seems to be subject to debate. “BY†seems safe. “SA†seems safe. SSPL? Not so much.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Some forms of consideration is okay, even good. Others become overreach.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Have a Happy New Year!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nigel<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">License-discuss <license-discuss-bounces@lists.opensource.org> on behalf of "lrosen@rosenlaw.com" <lrosen@rosenlaw.com><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>"lrosen@rosenlaw.com" <lrosen@rosenlaw.com>, "license-discuss@lists.opensource.org" <license-discuss@lists.opensource.org><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, December 28, 2018 at 12:04 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"license-discuss@lists.opensource.org" <license-discuss@lists.opensource.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [License-discuss] Proposed license decision process<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Regarding "consideration":<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in"><b>The sharing of open source software among users worldwide is consideration enough for all of us to enforce our licenses!</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Bruce Perens is right. Please comment on THAT. Kevin and Florian worry too much about simple concepts about "consideration" in U.S. and U.K. law.
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<p class="MsoPlainText">/Larry<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b>From:</b> License-discuss <license-discuss-bounces@lists.opensource.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bruce Perens<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 28, 2018 8:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> license-discuss@lists.opensource.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [License-discuss] Proposed license decision process<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">We went over this in Jacobsen v. Katzer. I testified (and the court agreed) that there _was_ consideration in Open Source licenses, although it was non-monetary.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> Thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> Bruce<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 4:39 AM Kevin P. Fleming <<a href="mailto:kevin%2Bosi@km6g.us">kevin+osi@km6g.us</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">One of my colleagues (who strongly prefers public domain dedications<br>
and permissive licenses) recently indicated to me that in his opinion<br>
as a software author, the obligation to distribute source code<br>
qualified as 'consideration', since it requires a tangible (to some<br>
degree) action on the part of the licensee. I had never thought about<br>
it this way, but I can definitely see how someone could arrive at that<br>
conclusion, and this seems to align with Florian's concern.<br>
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On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:14 AM Florian Weimer <<a href="mailto:fw@deneb.enyo.de" target="_blank">fw@deneb.enyo.de</a>> wrote:<br>
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> * Lawrence Rosen:<br>
><br>
> > But let us nevertheless agree on a pragmatic definition of "open<br>
> > source software".<br>
><br>
> > “Open source software†means software actually distributed under terms<br>
> > that grant a copyright and patent license from all contributors to the<br>
> > software for every licensee to access and use the complete source<br>
> > code, make copies of the software or derivative works thereof and,<br>
> > without payment of royalties or other consideration, to distribute the<br>
> > unmodified or modified software.<br>
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> I think “consideration†is a bad word, it's difficult to understand<br>
> for those of us who were not brought up in the English legal<br>
> tradition.<br>
><br>
> I'd be worried that “no other consideration†would exclude copyleft<br>
> licenses, or more broadly speaking, licenses that use copyright as a<br>
> tool to get the licensee to perform any additional action that is not<br>
> inherently tied to exploitation of the copyright itself.<br>
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