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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText>Regarding "consideration":<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><b>The sharing of open source software among users worldwide is consideration enough for all of us to enforce our licenses!<o:p></o:p></b></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Bruce Perens is right. Please comment on THAT. Kevin and Florian worry too much about simple concepts about "consideration" in U.S. and U.K. law. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>/Larry<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>From:</b> License-discuss <license-discuss-bounces@lists.opensource.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bruce Perens<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 28, 2018 8:38 AM<br><b>To:</b> license-discuss@lists.opensource.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [License-discuss] Proposed license decision process<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>We went over this in Jacobsen v. Katzer. I testified (and the court agreed) that there _was_ consideration in Open Source licenses, although it was non-monetary.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> Thanks<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> Bruce<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 4:39 AM Kevin P. Fleming <<a href="mailto:kevin%2Bosi@km6g.us">kevin+osi@km6g.us</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>One of my colleagues (who strongly prefers public domain dedications<br>and permissive licenses) recently indicated to me that in his opinion<br>as a software author, the obligation to distribute source code<br>qualified as 'consideration', since it requires a tangible (to some<br>degree) action on the part of the licensee. I had never thought about<br>it this way, but I can definitely see how someone could arrive at that<br>conclusion, and this seems to align with Florian's concern.<br><br>On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:14 AM Florian Weimer <<a href="mailto:fw@deneb.enyo.de" target="_blank">fw@deneb.enyo.de</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> * Lawrence Rosen:<br>><br>> > But let us nevertheless agree on a pragmatic definition of "open<br>> > source software".<br>><br>> > “Open source software” means software actually distributed under terms<br>> > that grant a copyright and patent license from all contributors to the<br>> > software for every licensee to access and use the complete source<br>> > code, make copies of the software or derivative works thereof and,<br>> > without payment of royalties or other consideration, to distribute the<br>> > unmodified or modified software.<br>><br>> I think “consideration” is a bad word, it's difficult to understand<br>> for those of us who were not brought up in the English legal<br>> tradition.<br>><br>> I'd be worried that “no other consideration” would exclude copyleft<br>> licenses, or more broadly speaking, licenses that use copyright as a<br>> tool to get the licensee to perform any additional action that is not<br>> inherently tied to exploitation of the copyright itself.<br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> License-discuss mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:License-discuss@lists.opensource.org" target="_blank">License-discuss@lists.opensource.org</a><br>> <a href="http://lists.opensource.org/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org" target="_blank">http://lists.opensource.org/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>License-discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:License-discuss@lists.opensource.org" target="_blank">License-discuss@lists.opensource.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.opensource.org/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org" target="_blank">http://lists.opensource.org/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>