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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hi Antoine,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>OSL 3.0 distinguishes carefully between the original software ("Original Work" = "PrestaShop") and other software. This is why I call it friendlier than the GPL.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Reciprocation (i.e., copyleft) is required for that Original Work and for its Derivative Works. Copyleft and source code disclosure is not required for independent software, even if that software links to or otherwise indirectly affects the functioning of the Original Work. You described that independent software as "an optional module, that users would download and install afterward." That is neither the Original Work nor a Derivative Work. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>John Cowan described that independent software correctly: "You can release it under whatever license you please, but a program released only with obfuscated source will never be an open source program, because of the Open Source Definition clause 2."<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Best, /Larry<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Lawrence Rosen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'>Rosenlaw (</span><a href="http://www.rosenlaw.com/"><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:#0563C1'>www.rosenlaw.com</span></a><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'>) <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'>LinkedIn: LawrenceRosen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'>3001 King Ranch Rd., Ukiah, CA 95482<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'>Cell: 707-478-8932 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'>This email is licensed under </span><a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/"><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:#0563C1'>CC-BY-4.0</span></a><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'>. Please copy freely.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <img border=0 width=89 height=31 style='width:.9236in;height:.3263in' id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01D48177.DA3E8A10" alt="https://licensebuttons.net/l/by/4.0/88x31.png"></span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>From:</b> Antoine Thomas <antoine.thomas@prestashop.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 21, 2018 8:36 AM<br><b>To:</b> license-discuss@lists.opensource.org<br><b>Cc:</b> lrosen@rosenlaw.com; Marine Dizol <marine.dizol@prestashop.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [License-discuss] OSL and obfuscated code<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>So maybe we should wait for Larry Rosen to read and answer?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Precision: the module itself would not be distributed with the PrestaShop installer. It would be available as an optional module, that users would download and install afterward.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Of course, if the module is obfuscated, it is not open source. However, would it be possible to install it and run it with the core of a software distributed under OSL?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>This is an interesting question regarding the "external deployment" clause: it seems that a visitor of a website built with PrestaShop can ask for the source code. Should we consider that as a way of distribution, and then, any module or theme used to build a website with PrestaShop should also be available under an OSL compatible license?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>If yes, this is not possible to add an obfuscated extension/module to a running OSL software. What do you think?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>The point here is not only the distribution/download, but also the execution of the software.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='margin-left:.5in;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:0px'><tr><td width=80 style='width:60.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#6F7B8A'><a href="https://www.prestashop.com/?utm_source=signature&utm_medium=e-mail&utm_campaign=emails-signatures" target="_blank"><span style='color:#0D638F;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=68 height=85 style='width:.7083in;height:.8819in' id="_x0000_i1025" src="http://img-cdn.prestashop.com/signatures/signature-logo.png" alt=PrestaShop></span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-stretch:normal'><b><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#343943'>Antoine Thomas aka ttoine</span></b><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#343943'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in;font-stretch:normal'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#343943'>Developer Advocate<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in;font-stretch:normal'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#68737F'>t: +33 (0)6 63 13 79 06<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.25pt;margin-left:0in;font-stretch:normal'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#68737F'><a href="mailto:antoine.thomas@prestashop.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:#68737F'>antoine.thomas@prestashop.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:5.0pt'><td colspan=2 style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;height:5.0pt'></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 at 17:14, Smith, McCoy <<a href="mailto:mccoy.smith@intel.com">mccoy.smith@intel.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'>On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 10:54 AM Antoine Thomas <<a href="mailto:antoine.thomas@prestashop.com" target="_blank">antoine.thomas@prestashop.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'>Dear Sir or Madam,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'>I’m reaching out as Open-source Advocate for PrestaShop which is the designer and editor of an open source software solution, released under a free license (Open Software Licence OSL-3.0), allowing its users to create e-commerce websites in a quick and simplified way.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'>Dear Sir or Madam,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'>I’m reaching out as Open-source Advocate for PrestaShop which is the designer and editor of an open source software solution, released under a free license (Open Software Licence OSL-3.0), allowing its users to create e-commerce websites in a quick and simplified way.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>If you are looking for advice on using the OSL, you probably should consider retaining Larry Rosen to give you that advice, as he is the author of that license, and a member of this mailing list, and a lawyer. </span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>_______________________________________________<br>License-discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:License-discuss@lists.opensource.org" target="_blank">License-discuss@lists.opensource.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.opensource.org/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org" target="_blank">http://lists.opensource.org/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>