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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><a name="_MailEndCompose">Richard Fontana wrote:<o:p></o:p></a></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'>> ... which would be more consistent with the ARL lawyers' apparent belief that some horrible disaster will occur if they put US published code under a copyright license. :)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'>Richard, what horrible disaster will come if OSI approves CC0 as an open source license? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'>Public domain in the United States doesn't need a copyright license, but give it one anyway. No horrible disaster either way.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'>/Larry<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'></span><p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<br>From: License-discuss [mailto:license-discuss-bounces@opensource.org] On Behalf Of Richard Fontana<br>Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 1:56 PM<br>To: license-discuss@opensource.org<br>Subject: Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] Re: Possible alternative was: Re: U.S. Army Research Laboratory Open Source License (ARL OSL) Version 0.4.1</p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I would just encourage you to consider instead recommending the enlightened approach being taken by your colleagues at github.com/deptofdefense/code.mil, which would be more consistent with the ARL lawyers' apparent belief that some horrible disaster will occur if they put US published code under a copyright license. :)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>On Fri, Mar 17, 2017, at 04:47 PM, Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY RDECOM ARL<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>(US) wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> That was what I was afraid of. OK, in that case I'll make the <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> recommendation that ARL does what I was outlining before, and hope <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> that<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> CC0 will one day be considered Open Source as well.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Cem Karan<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > From: License-discuss <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > [<a href="mailto:license-discuss-bounces@opensource.org"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>mailto:license-discuss-bounces@opensource.org</span></a>] On Behalf Of Richard <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > Fontana<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 11:18 AM<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > To: <a href="mailto:license-discuss@opensource.org"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>license-discuss@opensource.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > Subject: Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] Re: Possible <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > alternative was: Re: U.S. Army Research Laboratory Open Source <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > License (ARL<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > OSL) Version 0.4.1<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > All active links contained in this email were disabled. Please <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > verify the identity of the sender, and confirm the authenticity of all links contained within the message prior to copying and pasting the address to a Web browser.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > ----<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > I don't see how you could convince OSI of this in any way that would not involve submission and approval of CC0.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 12:32:26PM +0000, Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY RDECOM ARL (US) wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > OK, so different groups have different opinions. I'm glad Fedora <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > views CC0 as meeting the OSD definitions though. I'd still like <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > to<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > convince OSI that the route I outlined earlier should be considered <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > to be Open Source; I think it'll make things easier for a lot of the Government.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > Cem Karan<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > From: License-discuss<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > [Caution-mailto:license-discuss-bounces@opensource.org] On <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > Behalf Of Tom Callaway<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 8:46 PM<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > To: <a href="mailto:license-discuss@opensource.org"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>license-discuss@opensource.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > Subject: Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] Re: Possible <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > alternative was: Re: U.S. Army Research Laboratory Open Source <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > License (ARL<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > OSL) Version 0.4.1<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > All active links contained in this email were disabled. Please <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > verify the identity of the sender, and confirm the authenticity <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > of all links contained within the message prior to copying and <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > pasting<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > the address to a Web browser.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > ________________________________<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > I'd think the only ones who get to apply the "Open Source" label <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > to licenses would be the OSI. Fedora's opinion is that CC-0 meets the OSD.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > On Mar 16, 2017 4:31 PM, "Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY RDECOM ARL (US)"<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > <<a href="mailto:cem.f.karan.civ@mail.mil%20%3c%20Caution-%20Caution-mailto:cem.f.karan.civ@mail.mil%20"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>cem.f.karan.civ@mail.mil < Caution- Caution-mailto:cem.f.karan.civ@mail.mil </span></a>> > wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > Cool! Would Fedora/Red Hat consider it to be Open Source?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > Cem Karan<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > From: License-discuss<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > [Caution-Caution-mailto:license-discuss-bounces@opensource.org <<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > Caution-Caution-mailto:license-discuss-<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > <a href="mailto:bounces@opensource.org"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>bounces@opensource.org</span></a> > ] On Behalf Of Tom Callaway<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 3:31 PM<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > To: <a href="mailto:license-discuss@opensource.org"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>license-discuss@opensource.org</span></a> < Caution-Caution-mailto:license-discuss@opensource.org ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > Subject: Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] Re: Possible <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > alternative was: Re: U.S. Army Research Laboratory Open Source License (ARL<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > OSL) Version 0.4.1<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > All active links contained in this email were disabled. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > Please verify the identity of the sender, and confirm the authenticity of all links<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > contained within the message prior to copying and pasting the address to a Web browser.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > ________________________________<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > Can't speak for Debian, but Fedora will happily take software licensed as you describe.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > On Mar 16, 2017 3:09 PM, "Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY RDECOM ARL <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > (US)" <<a href="mailto:cem.f.karan.civ@mail.mil%20%3c%20Caution-%20Caution-mailto:cem.f.karan.civ@mail.mil%20"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>cem.f.karan.civ@mail.mil < Caution- Caution-mailto:cem.f.karan.civ@mail.mil </span></a>> < Caution-<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > Caution-Caution-mailto:cem.f.karan.civ@mail.mil < Caution-Caution-mailto:cem.f.karan.civ@mail.mil > > > wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > I agree that the Government can release it as open source, but as I understand it, not as Open Source. The difference is<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > whether<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > or not the code will be accepted into various journals <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > (Journal of Open Source Software is one). It also affects whether or not various<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > distributions will accept the work (would Debian? I honestly don't know).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > And I'm not after plain vanilla CC0 code to be called Open Source, I'm after the method I outlined earlier. This side-steps the<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > need<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > to have CC0 put forth by the license steward (I hope!). I <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > know that is splitting hairs, but at this point I'm tearing my hair out over this, and<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > would like to put it to rest before I have to buy a wig.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > Cem Karan<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > From: License-discuss [Caution-Caution-Caution-mailto:license-discuss-bounces@opensource.org < Caution-Caution-<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > <a href="mailto:license-discuss-"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>mailto:license-discuss-</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > <a href="mailto:bounces@opensource.org"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>bounces@opensource.org</span></a> > < Caution-Caution-Caution-mailto:license-discuss- < Caution-Caution-mailto:license-discuss- ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > <a href="mailto:bounces@opensource.org"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>bounces@opensource.org</span></a> < Caution-Caution-mailto:bounces@opensource.org > > ] On Behalf Of Tzeng, Nigel H.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 2:48 PM<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > To: <a href="mailto:license-discuss@opensource.org"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>license-discuss@opensource.org</span></a> < Caution-Caution-mailto:license-discuss@opensource.org > < Caution-Caution-<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > Caution-mailto:license-<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > <a href="mailto:discuss@opensource.org"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>discuss@opensource.org</span></a> < Caution-Caution-mailto:license-discuss@opensource.org > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > Subject: Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] Re: Possible alternative was: Re: U.S. Army Research Laboratory Open<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > Source<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > License (ARL<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > OSL) Version 0.4.1<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > All active links contained in this email were disabled. Please verify the identity of the sender, and confirm the authenticity<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > of all<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > links<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > contained within the message prior to copying and pasting the address to a Web browser.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > ----<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > Cem,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > The USG does not need OSI’s approval to release code as open source under CC0. It has done so already on code.gov <<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > Caution-Caution-http://code.gov > < Caution-<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > Caution-Caution-http://code.gov < Caution-Caution-http://code.gov > > . This includes the<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > OPM, NASA, GSA, DOT, DOL, DOC and others. CC0 is compliant with the Federal Source Code Policy for open source<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > release.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > It is unlikely that you can push CC0 through license review as you aren’t the license steward. It is up to CC to resubmit CC0<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > for<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > approval.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > Regards,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > Nigel<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > On 3/16/17, 8:56 AM, "License-discuss on behalf of Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY RDECOM ARL (US)" <license-discuss-<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > <a href="mailto:bounces@opensource.org"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>bounces@opensource.org</span></a> < Caution-Caution-mailto:bounces@opensource.org > < Caution-Caution-<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > Caution-mailto:bounces@opensource.org < <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > Caution-Caution-mailto:bounces@opensource.org > > on behalf of <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > <a href="mailto:cem.f.karan.civ@mail.mil"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>cem.f.karan.civ@mail.mil</span></a> < Caution- Caution-<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > <a href="mailto:cem.f.karan.civ@mail.mil"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>mailto:cem.f.karan.civ@mail.mil</span></a> > < Caution-<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > Caution-Caution-mailto:cem.f.karan.civ@mail.mil < Caution-Caution-mailto:cem.f.karan.civ@mail.mil > > > wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > All, I want to keep this alive as I haven't seen a conclusion yet. Earlier I<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > asked if OSI would accept the US Government (USG) putting its non-copyrighted<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > works out under CC0 as Open Source **provided** that the USG accepts and<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > redistributes copyrighted contributions under an OSI-approved license. Is<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > this acceptable to OSI? Should I move this discussion to the license-review<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > list?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > To recap:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > 1) This would only cover USG works that do not have copyright. Works that<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > have copyright would be eligible to use copyright-based licenses, and to be<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > OSI-approved as Open Source would need to use an OSI-approved license.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > 2) The USG work/project would select an OSI-approved license that it accepted<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > contributions under. The USG would redistribute the contributions under that<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > license, but the portions of the work that are not under copyright would be<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > redistributed under CC0. That means that for some projects (ones that have no<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > copyrighted material at all initially), the only license that the works would<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > have would be CC0.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > I can't speak to patents or other IP rights that the USG has, I can only<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > comment on what the Army Research Laboratory (ARL) has done<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > (Caution-Caution-Caution-Caution-https://github.com/USArmyResearchLab/ARL-Open-Source-Guidance-and-<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > Instructions <<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > Caution-Caution-https://github.com/USArmyResearchLab/ARL-Open-Source-Guidance-and-Instructions > < Caution-<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > Caution-Caution-https://github.com/USArmyResearchLab/ARL-Open-So<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > urce-Guidance-and-Instructions < Caution- Caution-<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > <a href="https://github.com/USArmyResearchLab/ARL-Open-Source-Guidance-and-In"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>https://github.com/USArmyResearchLab/ARL-Open-Source-Guidance-and-In</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > structions > > ),<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > which includes a step to affirmatively waive any patent rights that ARL might<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > have in the project before distributing it. I am hoping that other agencies<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > will do something similar, but have no power or authority to say that they<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > will.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > Given all this, is it time to move this to license-review, or otherwise get a<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > vote? I'd like this solved ASAP.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > Cem Karan<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > License-discuss mailing list<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > > > <a href="mailto:License-discuss@opensource.org"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>License-discuss@opensource.org</span></a> < Caution-Caution-mailto:License-discuss@opensource.org > < Caution-Caution-Caution-<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > <a href="mailto:License-"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>mailto:License-</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > > > <a href="mailto:discuss@opensource.org"><span 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