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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'>Richard Fontana suggested:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'>> So in other words, "this license is Open Source to the extent that, when used, it is accompanied by [a separate appropriate patent license grant]", for example?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Richard, that sounds like a great compromise that the government agencies might be able to live with. :-) If I understand correctly, there is already an existing government policy that patent rights are granted to all users of the software, albeit separately by policy rather than by license.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>And if I understand correctly, that is already the implied promise in Europe?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>/Larry<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<br>From: License-discuss [mailto:license-discuss-bounces@opensource.org] On Behalf Of Richard Fontana<br>Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 1:09 PM<br>To: license-discuss@opensource.org<br>Subject: Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] patent rights and the OSD</p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>On Tue, Mar 07, 2017 at 03:55:37PM +0000, Christopher Sean Morrison wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Of particular significance, it calls into question whether there are <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> any OSI-approved licenses that specifically exclude patent rights in <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> the current portfolio or whether CC0 would be the first of its kind. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> If there ARE, then CC0 would not create a precedent situation any <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> worse than currently exists and approval could move forward.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I'm not aware of any.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>There is the 'Clear BSD' license, which the FSF considers not only a free software license but also GPL-compatible:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/License:ClearBSD"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/License:ClearBSD</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.en.html#clearbsd"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.en.html#clearbsd</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>But I am not aware of this license ever having been submitted for OSI approval.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I've also seen one or two companies engage in the practice of licensing code under GPLv2 accompanied by a statement that no patent licenses are granted.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> If there AREN'T, that begs under non-proliferation for any new licenses that explicitly disclaim patent rights to be found OSD-inadequate, particularly w.r.t. clauses #1 and #7. Moreover, any license approval for a new license containing a patent disclaimer (e.g., CC0) would necessarily require modification or accompaniment by a required patent grant mechanism (such as ARL's approach) in order to satisfy the OSD.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>So in other words, "this license is Open Source to the extent that, when used, it is accompanied by [a separate appropriate patent license grant]", for example?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Richard<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>License-discuss mailing list<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="mailto:License-discuss@opensource.org"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>License-discuss@opensource.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="https://lists.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>https://lists.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>