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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><a name="_MailEndCompose">Stephen Michael Kellat referred to his standard disclaimer at </a><a href="http://skellat.freeshell.org/blog/pages/about-this-blog.html"><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'>http://skellat.freeshell.org/blog/pages/about-this-blog.html</span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'></span></a><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'>:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>About this blog<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>This site does not reflect the opinions, views, or official actions of any of the following entities:<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The United States Government<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Any agency or instrumentality of the United States Government<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Canonical, Limited<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The State of Ohio<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Any agency or instrumentality of the State of Ohio<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Lakeland Community College<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>West Avenue Church of Christ or any operational function thereof<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The organizing team for the Music Along The River festival<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The Ashtabula County Metroparks Board<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Others potentially yet to be mentioned<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The views herein are solely those of the author.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'>On the other hand, my emails are usually signed and "licensed under CC-BY-4.0" with permission to "please copy freely." <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'>If there is likely to be confusion that my words will be interpreted as attorney-advice rather than merely conversational like everyone else's words on this email list, I add the following brief disclaimer:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>"If this were legal advice it would have been accompanied by a bill."<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'>I learned that email disclaimer from Mark Lemley, who knows more about intellectual property law than anyone on this list. Such is the discussion freedom of a college professor like Lemley or a small country lawyer like me from the backwoods of California. You government lawyers give up too much freedom to speak up.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'>Most of the rest of the attorney disclaimers on emails sent to most open source discussion lists are just words that attorneys recite in church. Such emails are effectively though not literally public domain, or at least their ideas are.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'>At your suggestion, Stephen, I won't bother with a FOIA request "to the government lawyers." :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'>/Larry<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'>Lawrence Rosen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'>Rosenlaw (www.rosenlaw.com) <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'>3001 King Ranch Rd., Ukiah, CA 95482<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'>Cell: 707-478-8932 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>This email is licensed under CC-BY-4.0. Please copy freely. <o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'></span><p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Stephen Michael Kellat [mailto:smkellat@yahoo.com] <br>Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 11:11 AM<br>To: license-discuss@opensource.org<br>Cc: lrosen@rosenlaw.com; license-discuss@opensource.org<br>Subject: Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] Re: U.S. Army Research Laboratory Open Source License (ARL OSL) Version 0.4.1</p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I am off-duty from my job over at Treasury today so I guess I can say something. Standard disclaimer incorporated by reference from presentation here: <a href="http://skellat.freeshell.org/blog/pages/about-this-blog.html"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>http://skellat.freeshell.org/blog/pages/about-this-blog.html</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><b><i>[<LER>] </i></b><snip> <o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>