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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>John Cowan wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>> </span>what, is MIT so incompetent they haven't kept track of what patent licenses they have issued? Apprarently so.<span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Competence wasn't the real issue. The legal and technical effort required by any large organization to avoid incompatible patent license grants can be huge. Instead they said simply: "Here is this copyrighted work. Use it. It is open source."<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Nowadays, software patents are harder to obtain and even those who work in universities, research organizations and large companies want their software to be more fully open source with broader patent grants and lower patent risks to the public. Most now use the Apache or MPL or GPLv3 licenses. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>The subject of this thread is "Views on React licensing?" It should be "Views on patent licensing?"<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>/Larry<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> License-discuss [mailto:license-discuss-bounces@opensource.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Cowan<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 12, 2016 11:29 AM<br><b>To:</b> license-discuss@opensource.org<br><b>Cc:</b> henrik.ingo@avoinelama.fi<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Simon Phipps <<a href="mailto:simon@webmink.com" target="_blank">simon@webmink.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Do you have a citation to support that please? A quick web search did not identify one, but obviously it's a big web out there.<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I don't, but it was on one of the OSI mailing lists during the discussion of the Brode license (which ended up not being approved). The Brode license provided that any pre-existing patent grant by MIT pre-empted rights granted under the license, which a lot of us really didn't like -- what, is MIT so incompetent they haven't kept track of what patent licenses they have issued? Apprarently so. At that point several of us pointed out that the much older MIT license already contained a universal patent grant; the MIT folks said "We never meant it to."<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><br>-- <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>John Cowan <a href="http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan">http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan</a> <a href="mailto:cowan@ccil.org">cowan@ccil.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>We call nothing profound that is not wittily expressed.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> --Northrop Frye (improved)<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>