<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Etienne,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You may also want to look at <a href="https://tldrlegal.com/" class="">https://tldrlegal.com/</a> as it’s a site that tries to simplify license understanding. Of course, still pay attention to the full text of any license you work with and seek legal consultation as warranted, but maybe a useful resource for getting a handle on the terminology and differences.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I suggest going down the list of “MOST POPULAR” licenses first, as they are very well-understood and in prevalent use. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers!</div><div class="">Sean</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 1, 2016, at 4:57 AM, FREJAVILLE Etienne <<a href="mailto:etienne.frejaville@coface.com" class="">etienne.frejaville@coface.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Thank you for the link below that I had searched without success.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Moreover this discussion helped me better understand the terminology (still lightly ambiguous, but after all it’s the problem with natural language, no ? ;-))<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I see that it can become very tricky with some licences and particular technologies..<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I think the best is to start with licences that are clearly permissive for our situation, and have our legal department keep an eye on that. They’ll decide what to do for other situations more subtle.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(3, 54, 95);" class="">Best regards.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(3, 54, 95);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(3, 54, 95);" class="">Etienne<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">De :</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>License-discuss [<a href="mailto:license-discuss-bounces@opensource.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:license-discuss-bounces@opensource.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">De la part de</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Radcliffe, Mark<br class=""><b class="">Envoyé :</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>mardi 29 novembre 2016 19:36<br class=""><b class="">À :</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:license-discuss@opensource.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">license-discuss@opensource.org</a><br class=""><b class="">Objet :</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [License-discuss] Using opensource in a company not in the software business<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">And being compliant is the right thing to do.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>License-discuss [<a href="mailto:license-discuss-bounces@opensource.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:license-discuss-bounces@opensource.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Ben Tilly<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, November 29, 2016 10:32 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>License Discuss<br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [License-discuss] Using opensource in a company not in the software business<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">If you host the software on a server and they hit that API, this does not count as distribution. But there are licenses, such as the AGPL, that will still cause you problems there.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">The exact definition of when linking creates a derivative work has not to my non-lawyerly knowledge been litigated. Many lawyers think that the GPL FAQ is overly optimistic about how much power the license will have if litigated. On the other hand staying within its suggestions greatly limits the odds of problems down the road.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">In general each open source license aims to allay some fear that the author of the software had. Some, like the MIT and Apache licenses, protect the authors and otherwise make it easy to use the code as you see fit. Others, like the GPL, avoid having someone build something cool on your software while refusing to let you see/build on that.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">It is likely easiest for you to start with<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Comparison-5Fof-5Ffree-5Fand-5Fopen-2Dsource-5Fsoftware-5Flicenses-23FOSS-5Flicenses&d=CwMGaQ&c=3wvJ0zJmnOH4EwE3NZ_dojrpL7MAvp0sk6CwidQglYA&r=jdsm-qkq-Mk027Redh3Cbs2iQvbzFXesOa4hf4yZVks&m=TCa2aR4yZuooZ9ly4VCCQamoHgdZUjTkxjRXc5AWU0I&s=7hP38b5LRT5dyIs80y8_uKD1W7fMJ3ZompMtamxH024&e=" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_free_and_open-source_software_licenses#FOSS_licenses</a>, decide where your comfort level is, and try to only use software on one side of that. That's a lot easier than staying careful about exactly how you use each piece of software.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Alternately you can decide that you are not in the software business after all, give away all distributed software with source, and charge for access to a service that you maintain. (And avoid the AGPL!)<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 12:27 AM, FREJAVILLE Etienne <<a href="mailto:etienne.frejaville@coface.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">etienne.frejaville@coface.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Hello,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Thank you for the answers. It seems that we are concerned even though we don't sell the software provided to the customer.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Apparently, the fact that the customer uses the software from the outside of the company counts as a 'distribution'.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I may submit that topic to our lawyers, but before I have more precise questions related, concerning particular uses of licences, to be sure I understand them correctly.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">And I agree not to trust 'as is' answers from a mailing list, but it's a good start!</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">It seems that Apache, BSD, MIT... licences do not cause particular problems in our context (and in general).</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Concerning GPL, I have found in the GPL's FAQ that:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">"The community expects that all code linked to GPL code will be licensed under the GPL, even if the link is made at runtime using a shared library"</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Does it means that in that case we should release publicly under the GPL licence any of our source code that use the open source libraries ?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">If true, does indirect usages are also concerned ? Libraries that call libraries that call open source libraries will also have to be licenced under the GPL licence ?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Concerning LGPL, knowing that the user cannot modify our code as it's proprietary, I understand that using Java libraries for example is not possible as he must be able to</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">(§ 4 of the LGPL V3 : ) "... recombine or relink the Application with a modified version of the Linked Version to produce a modified Combined Work".</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">But using Opensource javascript LGPL library without providing source code should be possible if I understand well.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Indeed, if the code using the opensource uses it as a reference to a library on a distant domain, the user can get the benefits of the latest version of the library used by our code if he wants.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">E.g , if displaydate.js is an open source library released under the LPGP licence, in our code:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><script src="displaydate.js" type="text/javascript"></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""></script></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">would be an incorrect usage, whereas:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><script src="<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.yahoo.com_displaydate.js&d=CwMGaQ&c=3wvJ0zJmnOH4EwE3NZ_dojrpL7MAvp0sk6CwidQglYA&r=jdsm-qkq-Mk027Redh3Cbs2iQvbzFXesOa4hf4yZVks&m=TCa2aR4yZuooZ9ly4VCCQamoHgdZUjTkxjRXc5AWU0I&s=OvmN-UgJQOG7J5wcI3Ps85Du8qUqD1FT08vQ7dFsd-8&e=" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://www.yahoo.com/displaydate.js</a>"></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""></script></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">would be a correct usage.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Is it correct ?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Thank you.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(3, 54, 95);" class="">Cordialement, Best regards.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(3, 54, 95);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(3, 54, 95);" class="">Etienne</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(3, 54, 95);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">De :</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>License-discuss [mailto:<a href="mailto:license-discuss-bounces@opensource.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">license-discuss-bounces@opensource.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">De la part de</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Radcliffe, Mark<br class=""><b class="">Envoyé :</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>lundi 28 novembre 2016 22:55<br class=""><b class="">À :</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:license-discuss@opensource.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">license-discuss@opensource.org</a><br class=""><b class="">Cc :</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:cooi@theiet.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cooi@theiet.org</a><br class=""><b class="">Objet :</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [License-discuss] Using opensource in a company not in the software business</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I agree with Ben. Lawyers with open source experience will dramatically decrease your costs. You should also consider consulting Heather Meeker’s book:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.amazon.com_Open-2DSource-2DBusiness-2DPractical-2DLicensing_dp_1511617772_ref-3Dsr-5F1-5F1-3Fie-3DUTF8-26qid-3D1480369990-26sr-3D8-2D1-26keywords-3Dopen-26-2343-3Bsource-26-2343-3Bfor-26-2343-3Bbusiness-26-2343-3Bmeeker&d=CwMGaQ&c=3wvJ0zJmnOH4EwE3NZ_dojrpL7MAvp0sk6CwidQglYA&r=jdsm-qkq-Mk027Redh3Cbs2iQvbzFXesOa4hf4yZVks&m=TCa2aR4yZuooZ9ly4VCCQamoHgdZUjTkxjRXc5AWU0I&s=zrUEvmKneAfJOhfNJUDJC7abUwC3nR1MdWZm0CyITHY&e=" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.amazon.com/Open-Source-Business-Practical-Licensing/dp/1511617772/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480369990&sr=8-1&keywords=open+source+for+business+meeker</a></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>License-discuss [<a href="mailto:license-discuss-bounces@opensource.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:license-discuss-bounces@opensource.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Ben Tilly<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, November 28, 2016 11:44 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>License Discuss<br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:cooi@theiet.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cooi@theiet.org</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [License-discuss] Using opensource in a company not in the software business</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Nigel's list is biased towards paranoia. Paranoia is a healthy default But it is OK, for example, to ship useful standalone GPL tools to customers in a zip file that happens to also contain proprietary code of yours that does not use those tools.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">As always, if in doubt you should consult a lawyer and the license. And don't rely on opinions from a mailing list.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">One final note, I would recommend that it may be worth your while to find a lawyer with open source experience, and not just familiarity with intellectual property. Open source licenses are somewhat unusual, and there are common misunderstandings around, for instance, how the GPL works that a general lawyer is likely to spend time working through the first time. (Is this a contract? Does it apply if it is not a contract?) While lawyers are generally happy to research things on your dime, this is not always an efficient use of your money...</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Tzeng, Nigel H. <<a href="mailto:Nigel.Tzeng@jhuapl.edu" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Nigel.Tzeng@jhuapl.edu</a>> wrote:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Cindy advice is best but the quick and dirty answer for you given the two things you stated:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: -webkit-standard;" class="">We do not modify or enhance the open source code of the used libraries.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: -webkit-standard;" class="">At last, our code must be kept as proprietary and we don’t consider providing the source code using the opens source libraries.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></li></ul></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Good: Apache, BSD, MIT and other permissively licensed open source code. </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Maybe Good: LGPL, MPL and weak copyleft licensed open source code.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Not Good: GPL and any strong copyleft licensed open source code.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Review your code base and anything that used GPL source code in an Android/iOS app or Windows/MacOS/Linux program is an issue. On your internal server if you used any AGPL code it may be an issue.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Your normal lawyer should be able to find you an IP lawyer but you might as well start going over your code base.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Regards,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Nigel</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">License-discuss <<a href="mailto:license-discuss-bounces@opensource.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">license-discuss-bounces@opensource.org</a>> on behalf of Cinly Ooi <<a href="mailto:cinly.ooi@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cinly.ooi@gmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"<a href="mailto:cooi@theiet.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cooi@theiet.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:cooi@theiet.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cooi@theiet.org</a>>, License Discuss <<a href="mailto:license-discuss@opensource.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">license-discuss@opensource.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Monday, November 28, 2016 at 7:51 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>License Discuss <<a href="mailto:license-discuss@opensource.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">license-discuss@opensource.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [License-discuss] Using opensource in a company not in the software business</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">You _are_ in the software business.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The correct person to evaluate your case is your lawyer.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">As Woolley said, regardless of which the license of the software you choose uses, you still have responsibility under open source license, and your customers have expectations as provided for by the license.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">It is the same whether it is open source license or close source license</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Your lawyer will look at each license you need to use and apply it to see whether it meets your business objective.<br class=""><br class="">Another good place to start is to see is there any local people who can talk you through it for the price of a coffee. However, your lawyer has the final say.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br clear="all" class=""></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Best Regards,<br class="">Cinly<br class=""><br class="">*****<br class="">“There should not be an over-emphasis on what computers tell you, because they only tell you what you tell them to tell you,” -- Joe Sutter, Boeing 747 Chief Engineer.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On 28 November 2016 at 10:23, FREJAVILLE Etienne <<a href="mailto:etienne.frejaville@coface.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">etienne.frejaville@coface.com</a>> wrote:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="" class="">Hello,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="" class="">I'm sorry for asking a question that has probably been answered in the past, but I couldn't find a clear and precise answer on the subject on your website or any web resource.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="" class="">We are a private company and we wonder how to deal with developments using open source.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="" class="">First of all we are not a software company, and therefore we just provide software applications to our customers, so that they can use our services/buy our products.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="" class="">We develop with code that may use opensource, both:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="" class="">- 1. Pure internal software</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="" class="">- 2. Software for our customers provided as Web applications (that obviously interacts with a part of our internal software).</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="" class="">- 3. Software for our customers provided as mobile applications (IOS&Android apps) that interacts with a part of our internal software.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="" class="">The usage we make of opensource, is either use the opensource products as standalone products (e.g Maven, Kados..), or use them ‘as is’ as libraries (most java or javascript) (e.g POI, jQuery...).</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="" class="">We do not modify or enhance the open source code of the used libraries.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="" class="">At last, our code must be kept as proprietary and we don’t consider providing the source code using the opens source libraries.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="" class="">I have read quite a few pages on the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__opensource.org&d=CwMGaQ&c=3wvJ0zJmnOH4EwE3NZ_dojrpL7MAvp0sk6CwidQglYA&r=jdsm-qkq-Mk027Redh3Cbs2iQvbzFXesOa4hf4yZVks&m=mb6Xv_IQ0-9vyxXoreSfoPx986ZZ17jIvvSEeZzr_m0&s=cW_7dVP6ausJzvov6lbFHOGhMdXgxspnB24JX4mlUFU&e=" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">opensource.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>website, the FAQ and other external papers, but it seems that the licences discussions and restrictions, concern most of the time the usage of the open source in commercial products, or concern the distribution of open sources modifications.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="" class="">First of all, I would like to know if a software provided to our customers in our case, is considered in the open source terminology as a 'customer product'.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="" class="">Second, I would like to understand what 'distribution' stands for. Is distributing a web application or mobile application considered 'distribution' ?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="" class="">We provide some binary code that may contain usages of open source libraries, to some of our subsidiaries. Is it also considered as 'distribution' ?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="" class="">The idea behind these questions is to know if in fact we have to care about using Open source software or not in our situation..</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="" class="">If indeed we provide a commercial product and we are considering distributing software that may require the usage of opensource libraries for being able to work, indeed, I guess we are concerned by Open source usage.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="" class="">If it's the case, I will have more precise questions regarding the usage we make of these libraries, to understand what licences we may use and what we may not.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">Thank you.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">**********************************************************************<br class="">Le groupe Coface, un leader mondial de l'assurance-crédit, propose aux entreprises du monde entier des solutions pour les protéger contre le risque de défaillance financière de leurs clients. 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