<div dir="ltr">Miles -<div><br></div><div>It's working well for us but our product is a toolkit that folks use to build custom apps with and, as Larry mentioned earlier, many folks in our target market want to keep their code proprietary, hence they purchase the waiver to the RPL. The RPL is purpose-built for that sort of situation so, depending on what you're trying to do, YMMV.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>- Bill</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 3:51 PM, Miles Fidelman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mfidelman@meetinghouse.net" target="_blank">mfidelman@meetinghouse.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Thanks, Bill!<br>
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Can you say any more about how that's working for you in practice?
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Best,<br>
<br>
Miles<div><div class="h5"><br>
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<div>On 8/5/16 4:28 PM, William Edney wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Miles -
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<div>You might also check out the Reciprocal Public License: <a href="https://opensource.org/licenses/RPL-1.5" target="_blank">https://opensource.<wbr>org/licenses/RPL-1.5</a></div>
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<div>Authored by Technical Pursuit, it's direct intent is the
same "pay for privacy" business model now enjoyed by companies
such as GitHub. In fact, we couch our commercial offering as a
'waiver' allowing you to keep your code private.</div>
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<div>Cheers,</div>
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<div>- Bill</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Smith,
McCoy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mccoy.smith@intel.com" target="_blank">mccoy.smith@intel.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Sec 10 of
AGPL does not allow the imposition of additional
restrictions to it (such as "only for non-commercial uses),
and section 7 allows a recipient to remove those
restrictions.<br>
<br>
You really are trying to develop a non-open source business
model. This board is probably not the best place for trying
to do that.<br>
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<div>Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 1:15 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:license-discuss@opensource.org" target="_blank">license-discuss@opensource.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [License-discuss] licenses for hosted
services<br>
<br>
Thanks for the starting points, folks.<br>
<br>
I'm starting to think something like a dual license<br>
- AGPL for non-commercial uses (AGPL + borrow some of
the language from CC BY-NC-*), and,<br>
- Most of the terms of AGPL (re. download of source,
etc.) + a license fee for commercial use in an SaaS
offering<br>
<br>
I'm really wondering if there are any specific examples
of someone doing this, or of someone trying to do this
and running into serious snags.<br>
(You know, learn from other people's experiences, not
reinvent the wheel, and if there are really good reasons
not to try, better to know<br>
early.)<br>
<br>
And, re. "You might want to post on a non-open source
bulletin board" -- any thoughts on where to post?<br>
<br>
Thanks Again,<br>
<br>
Miles<br>
<br>
<br>
On 8/5/16 2:06 PM, Stephen Paul Weber wrote:<br>
>> I'm wondering if anybody has any experience or
thoughts about licenses that permit self-hosting, and
free hosting, but require a license fee for for-profit
hosting.<br>
> Of course, such a license would not be open source.
However, I believe that AGPL would get you very close to
the spirit of what you want, while still being an open
source license.<br>
AND<br>
<br>
On 8/5/16 1:46 PM, Smith, McCoy wrote:<br>
> There are any number of licenses written in this
way. CC BY-NC-* for example.<br>
> None of them are open source, however. See OSD 1
& 6.<br>
><br>
> You might want to post on a non-open source
bulletin board.<br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
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> On Behalf Of Miles Fidelman<br>
> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 10:36 AM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:license-discuss@opensource.org" target="_blank">license-discuss@opensource.org</a><br>
> Subject: [License-discuss] licenses for hosted
services<br>
><br>
> Hi Folks,<br>
><br>
> I'm working on some code that will eventually be
made available as both open source code, and a hosted
service (think Wordpress, Drupal, etc.).<br>
><br>
> I'm wondering if anybody has any experience or
thoughts about licenses that permit self-hosting, and
free hosting, but require a license fee for for-profit
hosting.<br>
><br>
> It strikes me that hosting is a reasonable business
model for generating sustaining revenue from open source
code, but that it gets diluted very quickly if anybody
can free-ride (i.e., as much as I find it convenient to,
at times, set up a quick wordpress account on godaddy -
it strikes me as just a might unfair that I'm paying
godaddy, but they're not paying the folks at wordpress,
and worse, they're siphoning off customers from
wordpress).<br>
><br>
> Anybody have thoughts on the matter?<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
><br>
> Miles Fidelman<br>
><br>
><br>
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