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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Nigel, your answer echoes many others:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>> </span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>If I have to start checking every Apache package for GPL code I’ll have to<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>> strongly recommend that we approach all Apache packages with caution.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>If we amended the proposal to leave out the GPL licenses, would that calm your concerns? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I'd really hate to do that at Apache for that set of generous FOSS licenses, but fear is fear.... Apache didn't cause this fear of "infection" and Apache can't cure it. There is a group of attorneys that is drafting an appropriate "exception" that would allow at least some GPL software to be aggregated with Apache software.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>But are ALL other OSI-approved licenses OK with you? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>/Larry<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>From:</b> Tzeng, Nigel H. [mailto:Nigel.Tzeng@jhuapl.edu] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 27, 2015 9:42 AM<br><b>To:</b> members@apache.org; lrosen@rosenlaw.com; 'License Discuss'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [License-discuss] Proposal: Apache Third Party License Policy<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Thanks, without the context it was somewhat harder to follow on license-discuss.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Consider this a vote in the negative as a non-member user of Apache software. If I have to start checking every Apache package for GPL code I’ll have to strongly recommend that we approach all Apache packages with caution.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Becoming a “universal acceptor” significantly impacts your ability to be a “universal donor”. I have no desire to accidentally be the cause of any organization I work for becoming the test case for what is an aggregation vs what is a derivative. If Apache was willing to indemnify downstream users…yah, I didn’t think so.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Nice try though.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='color:black'>"<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>><br><b>Reply-To: </b>"<a href="mailto:members@apache.org">members@apache.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:members@apache.org">members@apache.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>>, License Discuss <<a href="mailto:license-discuss@opensource.org">license-discuss@opensource.org</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 10:16 PM<br><b>To: </b>License Discuss <<a href="mailto:license-discuss@opensource.org">license-discuss@opensource.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>[License-discuss] Proposal: Apache Third Party License Policy<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>[This has been a hellishly long thread on private Apache lists before the board cut off discussion on revised policies. Below was the short start of it I submitted over two weeks ago. Apache board members don't want to revise current policy. Many Apache members don't want it. Still, it is a serious proposal to bring some more freedom and cooperation to open source. Please treat this as a political document for license-discuss@. /Larry]</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>…</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>