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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Michael:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I’m not sure if you’re saying you agree with B
Galliart’s concerns or not.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If you do, I’d like to understand your personal take on
what we are doing right and what we are doing wrong. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>My team and the company will do everything we can to avoid mis-using
the “open source” term that, as we have agreed, applies to software
licensed under the OSI-approved licenses, and refers to shared development, and
not just “source availability.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I’m happy to have the conversation here or off-line, as
you prefer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I have said before, and will reiterate here: the process that
began a year ago when you asked me face-to-face to submit our licenses to the
OSI has been a productive one; we are honored that the OSI chose to approve the
Ms-PL and Ms-RL; and we intend to use those designations with care and in
accordance with the wishes of the OSI.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Additionally you have my personal email and mobile number if you
should ever wish to talk or raise a concern.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Sam<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Sam Ramji<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><a href="sramji@microsoft.com"><span style='color:blue'>sramji@microsoft.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>+1 (510) 913-6495<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> mdtiemann@gmail.com
[mailto:mdtiemann@gmail.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Tiemann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 24, 2008 5:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Rick Moen<br>
<b>Cc:</b> license-discuss@opensource.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: MS continued attack on OSD #6<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Rick, I don't understand at all
what you are talking about. I believe it is pure crap to set up a website
that purports to host open source materials, and then populate it with things
that are not such, especially things that are referred to as if they might be,
and then leaving it only to the careful reader to not "well, that item
cannot be open source because it violates OSD#6". In my opinion this
is a clear attempt to probe exactly how much crap they can get away with.
You seem to be saying "hey, the smart people know it's crap--no harm no
foul". B. Galliart is saying "the claims are clearly
bogus. We should hold them to account."<br>
<br>
If I'm understanding everything here correctly, B. Galliart is on top of
things. Maybe I don't understand your complaint.<br>
<br>
M<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Rick Moen <<a
href="mailto:rick@linuxmafia.com">rick@linuxmafia.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Quoting B Galliart (<a
href="mailto:bgallia@gmail.com">bgallia@gmail.com</a>):<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>> The fact that the title
needed to be corrected at all seems to<br>
> indicate a need to be more alarmed than less.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>/me showers B Galliart with magic perspective sauce, and
points out that<br>
he just used the phrase "a need to more alarmed" in connection to a<br>
Slashdot thread prompted by a mistaken blog posting by a corporate<br>
intern. We both laugh and walk away, our day brightened by the comic<br>
moment. Exeunt omnes.<o:p></o:p></p>
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> Microsoft seems to go several step further than the QNX press release.<br>
> It claims MSCompBio is open source.[2]<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>This is the same overblown reference to a puff-job marketing
PDF we saw<br>
before, and incremental antiquity has not piled noticeable merit atop<br>
the earlier citation.<o:p></o:p></p>
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> Microsoft's own statement about the availability for Singularity[4]<br>
> seems to imply that it is open source:<br>
><br>
> "The Singularity Research Development Kit (RDK) 1.1 is now available<br>
> for academic non-commercial use. You can download it from CodePlex,<br>
> Microsoft's open source project hosting website, here."<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Used cow food, sir.<br>
<br>
"Available for academin non-commercial use" is as clear as one could<br>
wish for.<br>
<br>
One more time, sir, before I write you off entirely:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>
People on this mailing list tend to have limited amounts of time and<br>
effort to devote to it. Accordingly, your best chance at being
taken<br>
seriously is to avoid exaggeration -- e.g., don't pretend that some<br>
college intern's screwup is anything like corporate policy -- and, avoid<br>
time-wasting rhetorical excess, and make very sure you include vital<br>
details like _why_ you consider otherwise apparently motley marketing<br>
fluff on the Internet to merit OSI's time and trouble.<o:p></o:p></p>
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