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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Timothy McIntyre wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Wherever software
distribution is mentioned in the license, we added the phrase "or
otherwise makes available," in order to cover passive types of
distribution, such as with ASPs. This modification to the MPL also
appears in the CDDL.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I'm curious why you believe that the phrase "or
otherwise makes available" is sufficient to plug the ASP loophole and to
require that the source code of <i><span style='font-style:italic'>internal</span></i>
modifications of licensed software must be disclosed simply because the
software is accessed over a network? Is that phrase clearly defined in the
CDDL? Or is there some commonly understood meaning that is found in legal
authorities? Your interpretation may be surprising to Sun (who owns the CDDL) and
its customers, who probably do not expect that CDDL-licensed software is
subject to an ASP provision. Perhaps one of Sun's attorneys here can clear this
up.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>There is already before the courts a case dealing with
the meaning of "distribution" in the context of music downloads. I
found the following article by Ray Beckerman informative: "Is 'Making
Available' Copyright Infringement?" <a
href="http://www.hollywoodreporteresq.com/thresq/spotlight/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003535810">http://www.hollywoodreporteresq.com/thresq/spotlight/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003535810</a>.
I'm not sure how relevant this point is, but it may be that your interpretation
of the phrase comes closer to the RIAA position than that of EFF, which would
be unusual for open source. Perhaps it would avoid confusion if the CDDL and
similar licenses defined what they mean by "otherwise makes available"
and not leave it to interpretation.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>That is why OSL 3.0 is explicit:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>5) <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>External Deployment.</span></b> The term
"External Deployment" means the use, distribution, or communication
of the Original Work or Derivative Works in any way such that the Original Work
or Derivative Works may be used by anyone other than You, whether those works
are distributed or communicated to those persons or made available as an
application intended for use over a network. As an express condition for the
grants of license hereunder, <span class=grame>You</span> must treat any
External Deployment by You of the Original Work or a Derivative Work as a
distribution under section 1(c).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>/Larry Rosen<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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color:windowtext'> Timothy McIntyre [mailto:tmcintyre@terracottatech.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, March 06, 2007 5:52
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Rick Moen<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> license-discuss@opensource.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Followup on Exhibit B
licences</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>These are interesting points. Earlier in this
thread, there was mention that licensees who use "MPL + attribution"
-style licenses have overlooked the so-called 'ASP loophole.' I work for
Terracotta, and we distribute our software under the Terracotta Public License,
which is MPL w/ attribution (i.e., redistributed software must contain 'Powered
by Terracotta' text in any UI). When we were deciding on our license, we
wanted to address the ASP loophole, so we ended up revising the original
language of the MPL. Wherever software distribution is mentioned in the
license, we added the phrase "or otherwise makes available," in order
to cover passive types of distribution, such as with ASPs. This
modification to the MPL also appears in the CDDL.<br>
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Rick Moen wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre wrap=""><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Correcting my recent post:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><pre wrap=""><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The only open source licences that would prevent ASP pilfering is GPL<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>v3 (not released yet), Affero Public License (not OSI certified) and<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Honest Public License (not OSI certified).<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>In addition, Apple's licence also has an ASP clause, and _is_ OSI-certified.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>My apologies for forgetting that Lawrence Rosen's excellent "Open<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Software License (OSL) v. 1.1 _also_ has language addressing ASP scenarios, <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>and likewise is already OSI-certified<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>(<a
href="http://www.opensource.org/licenses/osl.php">http://www.opensource.org/licenses/osl.php</a>).<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>It grants rights for performance and display (clause 1) of the upstream<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>work. Clause 5 requires licensee to stipulate that any "external use"<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>(use or distribution so that the work is accessible to others) by<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>licensee qualifies as "distribution" of the software for purposes of the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>licence, tying clause 1c's copyleft obligation to such usage.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>____________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Timothy McIntyre // Corporate Counsel<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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