Definition of open source

Alan Rihm alan at
Sun Nov 7 23:34:18 UTC 2004

Rick, I appreciate your position, and do not feel the need to continue
the discussion. It has degraded into an unproductive exchange that isn't
helping us to find an existing license or dual license strategy that
works for us. 

If you can suggest one that deals with our exact business model, then we
would appreciate the guidance. If not, then we will simply go the
direction we are going.

Thank you.

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Rick Moen' [mailto:rick at] 
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 6:09 PM
To: license-discuss at
Subject: Re: Definition of open source

Quoting Alan Rihm (alan at

> Rick, I'm not sure why there is so much anger in the room....

Suggestion:  Cease trying to distract attention from the issue and
correct the error of referring to a clearly proprietary licence as "open
source" on your company's Web pages.  You will then notice cessation of
"anger" towards you and your firm, having removed the cause.

> ("I smell a second rat in this conversation"...that is just ignorant).

I'm sorry, but I think my point speaks for itself.

> I believe in open source based on today's terms.

But the company of which you're founder and CEO doesn't?  I don't know
what particular sort of doubletalk that is, but it's really rather
beside the point.

> It got us here after all, but surely it is healthy to discuss 
> alternative views. You don't have to agree, but you also don't have to

> be rude.

Your _views_ are not, in and of themselves, a problem (although the
cheesy special-pleading polemics were a bit insulting).  By contrast,
your firm's public statements are a problem.  So:  Your company Web
site's front page ( and a linked press
release page ( refer to
the above-mentioned proprietary licence as "open source".  That is a
deceptive misstatement of fact.  Please correct the error by removing
your firm's false claim of open source licensing.  Thank you.

Cheers,                 There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those
Rick Moen               know ternary, those who don't, and those who are
rick at     looking for their dictionaries.  -- Ron Fabre

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