david at usermode.org
Thu Apr 12 16:27:52 UTC 2001
On Thursday April 12 2001 10:20 pm, Ryan S. Dancey wrote:
The origins of the OSD lie in the DFSG. It was an attempt to define what
software was free and what was not, in the FSF meaning of the term. The OSI
should continue in this course, by making the OSD an instrument to help
determine if the software is Open Source or not. Most non-ideological and
non-developer users don't care about the license, only the software. Can they
give it to their friends or not?
The OSD should be focusing on the software. OSI Certification is only a
shortcut for the user to use in determining of the actual software is free
and open. IMO.
> If the OSI decides to focus on licenses, I suggest that it will find the
> BSD does not encapsulate enough of the OSD to guarantee the rights the OSD
> seeks to enumerate.
??? But the BSD license *does* encapsulate all of these rights. So would a
license that said in effect "zero restrictions, period". What right is
missing? Licenses by themselves are absolutely meaningless, in the same way
that deeds to property are meaningless without the property. Even the GPL by
itself in meaningless outside of being a mini-manifesto of sorts.
This is one reason why I don't think that license alone should determine OSD
> And if the OSI decides that the BSD license shouldn't
> be considered "OSI Certified", what would be the real harm? OSI Certified
> doesn't mean "Open Source", since that term was held to be
That term might not be trademarkable, but it still means the same thing. The
term "Open Source", applied as an attribute of software, means that the
software generally follows the criteria set forth in the OSD. True, because
their is no trademark, Microsoft could come along and call WinXP "open
source". But so what? They already do the same with such un-trademarked terms
as "secure" and "robust".
And since I use the BSD license myself, I will have to object to any scheme
that removes that license from OSI Certification. Since I currently
distribute my software only as source code under the BSD license, my
creations completely meet every definition of the OSD, and pass with flying
colors. If proposed changes to the OSD would involve decertifying any
software, then toss that proposal out and think of one that works.
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