zak at nucleus.com
Wed Oct 18 15:13:46 UTC 2000
At 07:40 AM 10/18/00 -0400, Frank Kotler wrote:
>(I'm replying "to" you, and "cc" the list. Is that the approved
> > Clause X is very ambiguous. What exactly does:
> > "In addition to what this Licence otherwise provides, the Software
> > may be distributed in such a way as to be compliant with the GNU
> > General Public Licence..." mean?
> > It sounds like a Captain-Kirkesque logic trap used to defeat evil computer
> > entities. Perhaps it is a logic bomb left for Richard Stallman: I can
> > picture it now "Mmmm... Clause X - GPL Compatible... no wait, clause IV -
> > proprietary licensing... no wait.. clause X..."
> > Repeat til beard explodes into flame.
>Reminds me of the old "The statement on the other side of this card is
>false"/"The statement on the other side of this card is true" trick!
> > (Note: I am not worthy to scrape the finger gunk off of RMS's hallowed
> > keyboard -- I just can't resist poking a wee bit of fun...)
>I hope he can take a little ribbing - if not, he shouldn'ta stuck his
>head up. I like RMS's ideas, but I don't think it's the *only* viewpoint
> > Seriously -- the clause sounds like it is based on the best of intentions.
> > If the license is GPL-compatible (or the authors found it palatable to make
> > it compatible) then perhaps adding a simple statement indicating that the
> > license is GPL friendly would satisfy everyone?
>Mmmm. Wouldn't that just be a repeat of clause X?
Hmmm... <goatee starts to smolder>
>In actual fact, the
>Nasm licence *isn't* very GPL-friendly. For starters, it never mentions
>"source code" at all (surprised someone hasn't mentioned that - maybe
>someone has, is there an archive?). It retains some (trivial, IMO)
>rights for the "original authors" - rather fuzzily defined in clause XI
>- how are we to determine who S & J "feel has contributed
>significantly"? Selling the software is prohibited (except with
>permission from the "original authors"). I really wouldn't want to see
>the Nasm licence on the OSI web-page as an example license that people
>are urged to adopt.
>Nonetheless, I'd like to see "OSI certified", because it could remain on
>SourceForge - else they're evicting us. While the Nasm licence isn't
>explicitly an "open-source" license, it makes no mention of restricting
>the source, and in fact the source is generally (always?) available
>right alongside the binaries. As I recall, the "original authors"
>intention was to not prohibit distribution of the binary as a "free
>disk" in a magazine, or whatever, without source. You've gotta remember
>that it was written by a couple young students, several years ago. It's
>"free software" as opposed to "shareware" (or commercial), tho not
>precisely by RMS's definition. Nasm was intended to be freely
>distributable, and has always come with source. It isn't a "clandestine
>If OSI won't approve it - which wouldn't surprise me too much (tho
>Debian distributes Nasm, and if OSI's definition is based on Debian's...
>oh-oh, here we go again :), the web-site says they'll help resolve
>problems. If their advice is forwarded to Julian, perhaps he'll agree
>(he's said he doesn't like GPL, and "would prefer an alternative"). In
>any case, we'd know where we stand with SourceForge.
>Perhaps just a "Clause XIII - The source code shall always be
>available." would make everyone happy. Doubt it'll be that simple.
It sounds like the license needs a good rewrite. The authors need to
decide if they really want to hang on to the elements of the license that
are not OSI (and GPL, if desired) compatible.
Of course, they could just use (or tweak) an existing OSI-approved
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