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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Patrick,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I'm aware of some but not all of those open source references in your note below; thanks for collecting them for us. Like you, we're all for open source! But these aren't the examples I would want for proposed constitutional wording.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I agree with you in principle concerning OSI (or FSF) approval of licenses <b><u>EXCEPT</u></b> that the <b><u>California Constitution</u></b> shouldn't have specific references to a non-profit whose email website is recently unavailable. Nor to FSF websites. Nor to the private actions decided by such private organizations or their boards.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Suppose the Constitution or federal law said that charitable funds can be given only to "United Way Approved" non-profits? Instead, more reasonably, the IRS is tasked to define the basic requirements for 501(c)(3) corporations (United Way agencies and OSI both qualify!) and to establish appropriate and general regulations for them. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>As for the definition of Open Source that is proposed in the initiative, rest assured that both OSI- and FSF-approved licenses are the only ones that matter nowadays in any practical way, even with that somewhat skimpy definition to describe them. And remember that CAVO itself already proposes GPLv3 for elections software.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Please note the following in the actual text in "Chapter 5: Open Source Voting Systems" in the elections initiative:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>19400. The Secretary of State shall promulgate regulations to further implement the provisions of this chapter.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><a href="http://openvoting.org/ad/e-tas.pdf">http://openvoting.org/ad/e-tas.pdf</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>OSI should please feel free to influence those regulations for that proposed government funding, but don't place your organization and its name at a key point in the California Constitution. I don't believe you (yet) qualify for that honor or authority. :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>/Larry<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>From:</b> CAVO [mailto:cavo-bounces@lists.opensource.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Patrick Masson<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 15, 2018 1:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> CAVO <cavo@lists.opensource.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CAVO] Definition of "open source software"<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>The OSI would expect something like (from our website), "Open source software is software distributed under OSI-approved licenses, guaranteeing that they be freely used, changed, and shared (in modified or unmodified form) by anyone."<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>The OSI's authority has been referenced in other California departments/agencies/policy etc., see:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>AB-668 Voting Modernization Bond Act of 2018.</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>California State Legislature<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>September 2, 2017<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><i>"(k) 'Open source software or firmware' means software or firmware licensed using a software license approved by the Open Source Initiative."</i><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><a href="https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180AB668">https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180AB668</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>California Department of Technology</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>SAM 5300 Definitions<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Accessed January 15, 2018<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><i>"Open Source Software: Software that includes distribution terms that comply with the following criteria provided by the Open Source Initiative"</i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><a href="https://cdt.ca.gov/security/technical-definitions/">https://cdt.ca.gov/security/technical-definitions/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>State Administrative Manual (SAM) Section 4819.2</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>California Department of General Services, INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY (California Department of Technology)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>September, 2016<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><i>"Open Source Software: Software that includes distribution terms that comply with the following criteria provided by the Open Source Initiative"</i><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><a href="https://www.documents.dgs.ca.gov/sam/samprint/new/SAM_Master/SAM_Master_File/Entire_SAM/EntireSAM.pdf">https://www.documents.dgs.ca.gov/sam/samprint/new/SAM_Master/SAM_Master_File/Entire_SAM/EntireSAM.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>IT Policy: OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE POLICY (ITPL 10-01 )</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Office of the State CIO<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>January 7, 2010<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><i>"Open Source Software: Software that includes distribution terms that comply with the following criteria provided by the Open Source Initiative"</i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><u><span style='color:#0563C1'><a href="https://cdt.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/ITPL_10-01_OpenSourceSoftware.pdf">https://cdt.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/ITPL_10-01_OpenSourceSoftware.pdf</a></span></u><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>If they are interested in similar language from other states' initiatives:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>Approved Resolution Concerning Fees for Testing of Open Source Software</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>New York State Board of Elections<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>October 16, 2007<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>The State Board of Elections may elect to waive the fee for examination of voting systems set forth in Section 6209.4(G) if...The vendor submits an application for examination fee waiver including a sworn affidavit stating that the voting system software and documentation are offered under an open source license...(a) The open source license shall meet with the Open Source Definition as set forth by the Open Source Initiative which requires: <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><a href="http://www.elections.ny.gov/NYSBOE/hava/Voting_Machines/ProposedResolutionConcerningFeesForTesting.pdf">http://www.elections.ny.gov/NYSBOE/hava/Voting_Machines/ProposedResolutionConcerningFeesForTesting.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>A Strategy for Openness</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>New York State CIO, Office for Technology<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>May, 2008<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><i>"Open Source Defined. Open source software (OSS) is software which unlike traditional proprietary software allows anyone to use, read, redistribute and modify the source code without a royalty or other fees. The Open Source Initiative defines ten features which distinguish OSS from other licensing models..."</i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><a href="https://opensource.org/authority">https://opensource.org/authority</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>New York State Senate Bill S173A-2013</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>New York State Assembly<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>January 9, 2013 <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><i>"FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS SUBSECTION, A PROGRAM SHALL QUALIFY...IF THE CODE FOR SUCH PROGRAM HAS BEEN RELEASED UNDER AN OPEN SOURCE LICENSE RECOGNIZED BY THE OPEN SOURCE INITIATIVE, OR HAS BEEN RELEASED UNDER A FREE SOFTWARE LICENSE RECOGNIZED BY THE FREE SOFTWARE FOUNDATION. (Section 1.2)" </i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><a href="https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2013/S173/amendment/A">https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2013/S173/amendment/A</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On Sat, 2018-01-13 at 14:59 -0800, Lawrence Rosen wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #729FCF 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Colleagues:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The following definition is being proposed for the California Constitution in a voter initiative to fund the development of open source election software in this state:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1D2129'>“Open source software” means software actually distributed to the public under software licenses that provide that every licensee is free to make copies of the software or derivative works thereof, to distribute them without payment of royalties or other consideration, and to access and use the complete source code of the software.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Comments?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>/Larry<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Lawrence Rosen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'>Rosenlaw (</span><span style='color:black'><a href="http://www.rosenlaw.com/"><span style='font-size:8.0pt'>www.rosenlaw.com</span></a></span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'>) <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'>3001 King Ranch Rd., Ukiah, CA 95482<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'>Cell: 707-478-8932 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'>This email is licensed under </span><span style='color:black'><a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/"><span style='font-size:8.0pt'>CC-BY-4.0</span></a></span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'>. 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