<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:Helvetica;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:"Cambria Math";
panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Calibri;
panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:purple;
text-decoration:underline;}
p.msonormal0, li.msonormal0, div.msonormal0
{mso-style-name:msonormal;
mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
margin-right:0in;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:0in;
font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
span.apple-converted-space
{mso-style-name:apple-converted-space;}
span.EmailStyle19
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
color:windowtext;
font-weight:normal;
font-style:normal;
text-decoration:none none;}
.MsoChpDefault
{mso-style-type:export-only;
font-size:10.0pt;}
@page WordSection1
{size:8.5in 11.0in;
margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
div.WordSection1
{page:WordSection1;}
--></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
<o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Brian Fox wrote:<br>> </span>I do not believe I am misinterpreting. I’m reading the blurb that you posted. It says that the "licensee is free to…" it doesn’t say that the licensee is *required* to grant those freedoms to others after making modifications. This is the fundamental difference between GPLs and other licenses.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>That distinction is accurate.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>But the California Constitution shouldn't declare that the open source license MUST be copyleft. Licensor's choice! If the licensor prefers Apache to GPL, she is the licensor. Licensee takes under THOSE licensor's terms, not necessarily what open source license YOU wish for!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>CAVO's choice is GPLv3. For that license, "licensee is free to...." And per the GPLv3 license itself, "licensee is (also) required to...." That applies to OUR licensed GPLv3 software. It is enforceable.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Use GPLv3 for CAVO-developed software! We have long-since recommended that license for our community primarily (but not only) because of copyleft. No change is implied.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>/Larry<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>From:</b> Brian J. Fox [mailto:bfox@opuslogica.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 15, 2018 2:26 PM<br><b>To:</b> Lawrence Rosen <lrosen@rosenlaw.com><br><b>Cc:</b> CAVO <cavo@lists.opensource.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CAVO] Definition of "open source software"<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I do not believe I am misinterpreting. I’m reading the blurb that you posted. It says that the "licensee is free to…" it doesn’t say that the licensee is *required* to grant those freedoms to others after making modifications.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>This is the fundamental difference between GPLs and other licenses.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On Jan 15, 2018, at 11:24 AM, Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Please don't misinterpret. Some open source licenses are copyleft, others aren't. In both cases, however, the "complete source code" to the open source software must be provided. /Larry</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>From:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Brian J. Fox [<a href="mailto:bfox@opuslogica.com">mailto:bfox@opuslogica.com</a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Monday, January 15, 2018 10:41 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>>; CAVO <<a href="mailto:cavo@lists.opensource.org">cavo@lists.opensource.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [CAVO] Definition of "open source software"<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>"or other consideration" means that they don’t have to make their changes to the software open source as well. That’s a fail in my book.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On Jan 13, 2018, at 2:59 PM, Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com"><span style='color:purple'>lrosen@rosenlaw.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Colleagues:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The following definition is being proposed for the California Constitution in a voter initiative to fund the development of open source election software in this state:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1D2129'>“Open source software” means software actually distributed to the public under software licenses that provide that every licensee is free to make copies of the software or derivative works thereof, to distribute them without payment of royalties or other consideration, and to access and use the complete source code of the software.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Comments?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>/Larry</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Lawrence Rosen</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:8.0pt'>Rosenlaw (</span><a href="http://www.rosenlaw.com/"><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:#954F72'>www.rosenlaw.com</span></a><span style='font-size:8.0pt'>)<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:8.0pt'>3001 King Ranch Rd., Ukiah, CA 95482</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:8.0pt'>Cell: 707-478-8932<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:8.0pt'>This email is licensed under<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/"><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:#954F72'>CC-BY-4.0</span></a><span style='font-size:8.0pt'>. Please copy freely.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span><image001.png></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>_______________________________________________<br>CAVO mailing list<br></span><a href="mailto:CAVO@lists.opensource.org"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#954F72'>CAVO@lists.opensource.org</span></a><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br></span><a href="http://lists.opensource.org/mailman/listinfo/cavo_lists.opensource.org"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#954F72'>http://lists.opensource.org/mailman/listinfo/cavo_lists.opensource.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Brian</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>--</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Brian J. Fox</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Founder/CEO</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Opus Logica, Inc.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>A: 901 Olive St., 93101</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>O: 76-BAFFLE-76</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>C: 805.637.8642</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Thanks,</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Brian<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Brian J. Fox<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Founder/CEO<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Opus Logica, Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>A: 901 Olive St., 93101<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>O: 76-BAFFLE-76<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>C: 805.637.8642<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>