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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>David RR Webber wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>However the only thing that I see in the below from Larry is the overloaded use of the word "free" as in "giving away software" and "always free". And then qualified by - usually "free of cost".<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:15.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>"Free" may be overloaded in this brief article. But my choice of those words was intentional. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:15.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>For a more thorough definition, read "Open Source Licensing: Software Freedom and Intellectual Property Law" by Lawrence Rosen, with a foreword by Lawrence Lessig, published by Prentice Hall in July 2004. For those who want the "free" version of this book, go to <a href="http://rosenlaw.com/open-source-licensing-software-freedom-and-intellectual-property-law/">http://rosenlaw.com/open-source-licensing-software-freedom-and-intellectual-property-law/</a>. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>/Larry<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Lawrence Rosen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Rosenlaw (</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><a href="http://www.rosenlaw.com/"><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:#0563C1'>www.rosenlaw.com</span></a></span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>) <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>3001 King Ranch Rd., Ukiah, CA 95482<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Cell: 707-478-8932 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>This email is licensed under </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/"><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:#0563C1'>CC-BY-4.0</span></a></span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>. Please copy freely.</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <img border=0 width=89 height=31 style='width:.9236in;height:.3263in' id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image002.png@01D2199E.27383D50" alt="https://licensebuttons.net/l/by/4.0/88x31.png"></span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> CAVO [mailto:cavo-bounces@opensource.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>David RR Webber (XML)<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 28, 2016 11:59 AM<br><b>To:</b> CAVO <cavo@opensource.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CAVO] Open source election software<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>Brent,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>These days our personae are background checked routinely every day by NSA and others.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>However the only thing that I see in the below from Larry is the overloaded use of the word "free" as in "giving away software" and "always free". And then qualified by - usually "free of cost".<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>This unfortunately sends the wrong messages completely. Firstly I would argue there really is nothing that is "free". There are implicit costs in everything. Second people infer that "free" means they can do whatever they please, which of course is not how the GPL3 license works, it is not "giving away software". And of course then people infer that if something is being given away, that it is in someway inferior or flawed, or there is a hidden catch.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>It is much clearer to say "there are no licensing costs". That's not as short or catchy as the word "free", but it does explain what is going on.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>Making the barriers to adoption and use much lower is really the big picture, and then creating a community of use and contributors to the success of a software project.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>The problem of course is that there is POSS - Paid Open Source Software, so Free does differentiate there.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>Particularly for elections solutions, we need to articulate the need to develop a library of quality software assets that are common and available to election jurisdictions, and to do that collaboratively so that each State and Jurisdiction is not reinventing the wheel and paying again and again for the exact same thing.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>David<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:6.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id=replyBlockquote><div id=wmQuoteWrapper><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>-------- Original Message --------<br>Subject: Re: [CAVO] Open source election software<br>From: Brent Turner <<a href="mailto:turnerbrentm@gmail.com">turnerbrentm@gmail.com</a>><br>Date: Wed, September 28, 2016 2:27 pm<br>To: "<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>>, CAVO<br><<a href="mailto:cavo@opensource.org">cavo@opensource.org</a>><br><br>Per OSI. Those creating redundant license should be background checked for motivation that could create future issue. Do you agree ? <br><br>On Wednesday, September 28, 2016, Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com" target="_blank">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>"<b>Why CAVO Recommends GPLv3</b>" by Lawrence Rosen (revised 9/28/2016)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>There are many ways to distribute software. Valuable software nowadays is usually distributed under a free and open source license ("FOSS" license, in short), both because it is usually "free of cost" software but also "free of restrictions" on copying, making changes, and redistributing that software.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>There are various open source licenses to choose from. They are listed at the <a href="http://www.opensource.org" target="_blank">www.opensource.org</a> website. Unless a license is listed at that website, most developers and potential customers won't call it FOSS software. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>FOSS licenses offer several distinct ways to give software away. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>Choosing among those licenses for software is not an arbitrary game of darts. For open source election software that can be trusted and always free, the choice of license is particularly important. That is why CAVO recommends the General Public License version 3.0 ("GPLv3") as the best license to use. This article gives several important reasons why.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>Among the many FOSS licenses, GPLv3 is the <b><i>most modern, widely accepted, and best understood license</i></b> available today. Its predecessor license, GPLv2, is historically far and away the most used worldwide; GPLv3 is replacing it in the rate of license adoption for new FOSS software.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>GPLv3 is a <b><i>reciprocal</i></b> license. Once a project or distributor releases election software under the GPLv3, it will remain FOSS software <b><i>in perpetuity</i></b> under the GPLv3 license. Modifications to that FOSS software will also be distributed <b><i>in perpetuity</i></b> under the GPLv3. This guarantees that our election software won't ever be taken under commercial covers and turned into proprietary software with unacceptable lock-in and source code restrictions that make voting untrustworthy.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>The GPLv3 license promotes <b><i>open and shared development efforts</i></b>. While it is possible to create excellent open source software under more permissive FOSS licenses, those licenses allow commercial fragmentation of the software. That isn't appropriate for widely used election software. </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>The GPLv3 encourages <b><i>trustworthy software</i></b>. There is a law of software development named in honor of Linus Torvalds stating that "given enough eyeballs, all <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_bug" target="_blank" title="Software bug"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>bugs</span></a> are shallow"; or more formally: "Given a large enough <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_test" target="_blank" title="Beta test"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>beta-tester</span></a> and co-<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programmer" target="_blank" title=Programmer><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>developer</span></a> base, almost every problem will be characterized quickly and the fix will be obvious to someone." GPLv3 software projects invite eyeballs on all distributed versions of the software to identify bugs and security issues; other licenses don't always do that.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>Although GPLv3 will specifically encourage FOSS development practices for the election code base and its derivative works, that GPLv3 license is nevertheless <b><i>compatible with successful commercial software and support business</i></b> as well. One need only refer to the robust Linux ecosystem and its contribution to diverse commercial technology worldwide, whose basic software is entirely under the GPLv2 and GPLv3 licenses. The GPL licenses made that possible.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>GPLv3 will encourage <b><i>innovation</i></b> because GPLv3 source code is open to view and change. </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>For these reasons, CAVO recommends that election software be distributed under GPLv3. This will inevitably create a diverse, worldwide, and enthusiastic community of software developers to create election systems we can all trust.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>Since this article was first published (11/8/2014), the enthusiasm for open source election software has grown around the world. Projects now exist or are proposed whose software will be distributed under a wide variety of open source licenses. I have therefore added the following paragraph to encourage that enthusiasm.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>I believe that creating free and open source election software, mostly under GPLv3, will help reassure voters everywhere that their votes will be efficiently collected and recorded fairly. But this does not mean that all election software must be created initially under GPLv3. There is a large project community we can build around many open source licenses that are compatible with GPLv3 for election system software. For example, the OSET OPL, the MPL, and the Apache License, and many others, are compatible with GPLv3. Such software can trivially be aggregated with GPLv3 software for use everywhere.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>/Larry</span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>Lawrence Rosen<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>Rosenlaw (</span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="http://www.rosenlaw.com/" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:8.0pt'>www.rosenlaw.com</span></a></span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>) </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>3001 King Ranch Rd., Ukiah, CA 95482</span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>Cell: 707-478-8932 </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>This email is licensed under </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:8.0pt'>CC-BY-4.0</span></a></span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>. 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If the Larger Work is a combination of Covered Software with a work governed by one or more Secondary Lcenses, and the Covered Software is not Incompatible With Secondary Licenses, this License permits You to additionally distribute such Covered Software under the terms of such Secondary License(s), so that the recipient of the Larger Work may, at their option, further distribute the Covered Software under the terms of either this License or such Secondary License(s).</span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444'>1.12. “Secondary License” means either the GNU General Public License, Version 2.0, the GNU Lesser General Public License, Version 2.1, the GNU Affero General Public License, Version 3.0, or any later versions of those licenses.</span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><br><br>-- <br>Sent from Gmail Mobile<o:p></o:p></span></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>CAVO mailing list<br><a href="mailto:CAVO@opensource.org">CAVO@opensource.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cavo">https://lists.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cavo</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div></body></html>