<div dir="ltr">Right- O-- <div><br></div><div>Conversations with Felton have shown he is aligned with the security community in recognizing VVPAT as a failed / botched concept.. </div><div><br></div><div>Dr. Mercuri can chime in but my understanding is Dill stole her design and failed to execute it properly.. </div><div><br></div><div>Perhaps it would be better with OS code.. Rebecca ? </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Gilbert,Juan E <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:juan@ufl.edu" target="_blank">juan@ufl.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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This isn't a VVPAT demo. He didn't discuss VVPATs in this demonstration. The tally results were printed on a thermal roll, but that's not a VVPAT.<br>
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<<a href="mailto:juan@ufl.edu" target="_blank">juan@ufl.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Brent, you said,<br>
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Currently the " secret software " systems coupled with VVPAT's are<br>
condemned as insecure by government study, so we don't have to consider<br>
the internet to sound those alarms. Ed Felton from OSTP confirms.<br>
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Can you point me to those articles? I agree VVPAT's have issues. Just to<br>
be clear, VVPATs are ballots printed on a continuous thermal paper roll.<br>
However, ES&S ExpressVote and the work we have done for years with Prime<br>
III, prints a voter-verifiable paper ballot on a single sheet of paper<br>
versus the VVPAT on a continuous roll behind a glass screen. To my<br>
knowledge, no one has condemned this approach as insecure in any way.<br>
Has anyone heard anything different?<br>
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Thanks,<br>
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On 7/28/16 10:11 AM, Brent Turner wrote:<br>
> Currently the " secret software " systems coupled with VVPAT's are<br>
> condemned as insecure by government study, so we don't have to<br>
> consider the internet to sound those alarms. Ed Felton from OSTP<br>
> confirms.<br>
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Juan E. Gilbert, Ph.D.
Andrew Banks Family Preeminence Endowed Professor & Chair
Computer & Information Science & Engineering Department
Herbert Wertheim College of Engineering
University of Florida
P.O. Box 116120
Gainesville, FL 32611
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