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<div>Any 100% electronic voting can be manipulated. If you have an electronic voting system, I can guarantee you it can be hacked, meaning the outcome of the election can be changed undetected. </div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">Taxes, banking, etc, allow you to verify your data. If your account balance is wrong, you can verify it and take action. Voting is the opposite, you are not allowed to verify your ballot. This is why we need a physical ballot that
can be hand counted that is not attached to a single voter. </div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">Rocket science is actually easier than voting. </div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">Sorry, but it's a fact, electronic ballots can be hacked and you would never know it. You would suspect something was hacked because of the outcome but you couldn't prove anything. I don't think anyone wants that scenario. </div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">If any of you know if an electronic system that can't be hacked, please let me know. </div>
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On Jun 5, 2016, at 12:58 AM, Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">David, thanks for continuing this thread. It is good that this CAVO list discusses actual solutions to real-world California voting problems rather than merely share our fears and newspaper
press releases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I want a very simple replacement for the error-prone and insecure paper ballot that I used this week to pick our president. I hear that the majority of California voters vote this way by mail.
There is NOTHING about this system that prevents any of the evil frauds and corruption that you expect from businesses and politicians, so be scared about our
<u>current</u> third world voting system. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I want something simpler:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I want to receive an electronic ballot at my email address on my computer or mobile device. That's how the county and the U.S. government currently deal with me for almost everything
else of significance, including my taxes!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I want to vote at my leisure.
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I want to print out and/or save my completed ballot. I'll keep it secret if I want to or show my friends.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I want to send my ballot electronically to the county. (Yesterday I placed my completed paper ballot in a metal box in front of the county offices – with no security or auditability
whatsoever. I am <u>now</u> paranoid!)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I want the county to email me a confirmation and a copy of my completed ballot.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I want the county to process my ballot on election day.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I want this entire procedure to be auditable with email addresses, PINs, or whatever the kind of technology our Facebook and LinkedIn friends are willing to accept for security.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If we can't do that without sending astronauts to Mars, then your technology solution is perhaps way too complex and paranoid. :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">/Larry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> David RR Webber (XML) [<a href="mailto:david@drrw.info">mailto:david@drrw.info</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 4, 2016 9:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> CAVO <<a href="mailto:cavo@opensource.org">cavo@opensource.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CAVO] Online contracts and voting<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Larry,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">You are right to compare the USA to a third world country - its getting there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">The Kenya system is called M-Pesa - "Mobile money". It is using a secure system invented in England - and the password is a simple PIN
code.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Notice you will NOT be able to do this is the USA because the banks and the IRS do not want you doing that - creating an alternative financial
system with no central tracking system - that actually empowers small business and entrepreneurship. Here we still use paper cash money for that purpose.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">It is terribly inconvenient that people have to use old arcane paper ballots - but it is VERY necessary. You only have to look at how
corrupt politicians are - and how adept they are at deflecting responsibility to realize that opening the flood gates to digital fraud is not prudent. Not to mention routine hacking of systems in 3 out of every 4 businesses in the USA.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Everything in the USA is being gamed. What is the real price of bread, milk, eggs, gas, cars, paper, sugar, corn... ? Again - the current
primaries system tells you much. Want to make primaries voting all digital - so no one has any clue who actually voted, and for whom really?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Subject: Re: [CAVO] Online contracts and voting<br>
From: "Lawrence Rosen" <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>><br>
Date: Thu, June 02, 2016 5:54 pm<br>
To: "'CAVO'" <<a href="mailto:cavo@opensource.org">cavo@opensource.org</a>><br>
Cc: Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Please send money and we can engineer this for you.</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Such unreasonable paranoia about voting!
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I have on my desk right now two signed and sealed ballots for the California primary next week. I know that my partner voted for a different candidate than
I did. I'm going to walk into the County office and drop these two ballots, probably unmodified :-), into a wooden box on their counter. Somehow our votes will be counted by some machine that reads ink in bubbles. Results next Tuesday. Perhaps some of our
votes will count. </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">And so our president will be chosen!</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">BTW, in Kenya almost all financial transactions are made through ordinary cell phones with passwords. And even here, in the U.S., my bank will accept deposits
sent through pictures of signed checks from my phone. But we're much more paranoid here, especially about voting.
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 2, 2016 2:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>; CAVO <<a href="mailto:cavo@opensource.org">cavo@opensource.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [CAVO] Online contracts and voting</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">That's why the USPS now accepts digital copies of money orders, instead of having to send the paper one.</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Not! That could of course be digital too - but - you would need a way to track all that - matching digitally presented versions to repository.
That's called Paypal, Google, Square or ApplePay et al.</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Similarly registering to vote - concur - that can be a digital process - but then its gets more tricky. Yes - I can issue you with a digital
voting token - but then how do I know you really cast that ballot? Parties could cast proxy votes for party members - and maybe there's nothing wrong with that - but - we're not there yet.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Unlike in the money order or check situation - where tracking who does what inbetween is not part of the process - with balloting it is.
Except there's a twist - in the banking transaction - everything can be logged to a specific user entity - whereas in voting it has to be anonymous. And that is where things get problematic. It's a bit like Heisenberg's uncertainty principle - the more anonymous
you make it - the less you know what happened - the more you know what happened - the less anonymous.</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">And then who do you trust? Personally I want to see 3 separate systems of record - and be able to cross check. So if 1 gets compromised
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">And it all needs to be open source and accredited.</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Subject: [CAVO] Online contracts and voting<br>
From: "Lawrence Rosen" <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</span></a>><br>
Date: Thu, June 02, 2016 1:54 pm<br>
To: "'CAVO'" <<a href="mailto:cavo@opensource.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext">cavo@opensource.org</span></a>><br>
Cc: Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</span></a>></span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Registering and voting should be no more difficult than what the government already accepts on almost everything nowadays.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 2, 2016 10:11 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> CAVO <<a href="mailto:cavo@opensource.org" target="_blank">cavo@opensource.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CAVO] Article</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Date: Thu, June 02, 2016 1:01 pm<br>
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