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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>David,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>As long as the software itself is FOSS, I don't care what other business models a vendor has. I don't put Red Hat into a special class of "open source companies." Oracle is also an open source company. Variety of modus operandi is the spice of technology life.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>As for conflicts because of collecting marketing data: Google is another open source company that collects gazillions of bytes of marketing and social networking data. No sin there.... It would, however, be a sin to collect private voting data for personal or for profit use.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>/Larry<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> David RR Webber (XML) [mailto:david@drrw.info] <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 18, 2015 7:35 PM<br><b>To:</b> lrosen@rosenlaw.com; CAVO <cavo@opensource.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CAVO] Online AAAS election<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>Larry,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>Basically there are two camps for any software solutions<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>1) Vendors - for profit - normal business modus operandi applies - they are NOT giving anyone access to their code<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>2) Open source companies - the approach is in the name! Then they provide services and support on a fee basis - this is the classic "RedHat" model - a $1B a year revenue company - so clearly the model works.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>David<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>p.s. If you are collecting marketing data, and that ties back into tracking who has voted, and sending them reminders - and incentives - and social networking - and you don't think that could have conflicts?!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:6.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id=replyBlockquote><div id=wmQuoteWrapper><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>-------- Original Message --------<br>Subject: Re: [CAVO] Online AAAS election<br>From: "Lawrence Rosen" <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>><br>Date: Sun, October 18, 2015 10:27 pm<br>To: "'CAVO'" <<a href="mailto:cavo@opensource.org">cavo@opensource.org</a>><br>Cc: Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>doing marketing survey's seems somewhat of a conflict of interest.</span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Why?</span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>open source is key for people who are claiming integrity of their elections.</span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>There is no need to sell me on that. :-) But one way that open source software is sometimes created is by proprietary companies realizing that they are not making money by selling their software, but by selling services (such as marketing surveys?). Perhaps there are proprietary companies like this one out there ready to make the leap to FOSS by donating their software for a GPLv3 project? This can perhaps enhance their service business.</span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>I'm just wondering about the elections software that's out there....</span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>/Larry</span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> David RR Webber (XML) [<a href="mailto:david@drrw.info">mailto:david@drrw.info</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 18, 2015 7:12 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>; CAVO <<a href="mailto:cavo@opensource.org">cavo@opensource.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [CAVO] Online AAAS election</span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>No.</span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>However - also doing marketing survey's seems somewhat of a conflict of interest.</span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>Again - open source is key for people who are claiming integrity of their elections.</span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>David</span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:6.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id=replyBlockquote><div id=wmQuoteWrapper><div style='margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>-------- Original Message --------<br>Subject: [CAVO] Online AAAS election<br>From: "Lawrence Rosen" <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:windowtext'>lrosen@rosenlaw.com</span></a>><br>Date: Sun, October 18, 2015 2:09 pm<br>To: "'CAVO'" <<a href="mailto:cavo@opensource.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:windowtext'>cavo@opensource.org</span></a>><br>Cc: Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:windowtext'>lrosen@rosenlaw.com</span></a>></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>Do any of you know about this software? /Larry</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="http://www.aaas.org/annual-election?et_rid=54800781&et_cid=52288" target="_blank">http://www.aaas.org/annual-election?et_rid=54800781&et_cid=52288</a> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>From that website: "</span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#505050;background:white'>The election is administered by Survey & Ballot Systems — a company specializing in secure member voting and independently verifiable results."</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><div class=MsoNormal 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