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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#000000" vlink="#000000"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>David, I don't think I missed your point.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>I suspect that a lot of this code could show up repurposed in the OSET repository - but with an OSET license attribution put on it instead... the same people are involved in both OSET and the VIP code base...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Once VIP was released (by its author) under a CC license, it can be taken and repurposed in anyone's repository. OSET's repository. CAVO's repository. The Apple store.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Open source isn't controlled in the way some believe. Nor can its owner remove an open source license he already granted. Nor is one repository intrinsically better than another.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>As for the references to VIP being a standard, there are lots of ideas about how an "open standard" is available equally to all. W3C and OASIS both understand that. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Not CAVO nor OSET nor you nor any other single author of open source elections software can be the sole repository for it. Open source is a community. It is shared software available under lots of FOSS licenses. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>CAVO has suggested that the core election software be under GPLv3. The rest of that FOSS stuff, including standards like VIP, can be under any of a variety of FOSS licenses in any of a number of repositories.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>None of this is a justification for a new OSET license.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>/Larry<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> David RR Webber (XML) [mailto:david@drrw.info] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 14, 2015 11:26 AM<br><b>To:</b> CAVO <cavo@opensource.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CAVO] Fwd: Re: [License-review] OSET Foundation (See Our Draft Statement From Last Night + "?")<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>Larry,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>You missed my point. I suspect that a lot of this code could show up repurposed in the OSET repository - but with an OSET license attribution put on it instead... the same people are involved in both OSET and the VIP code base...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>David<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:6.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id=replyBlockquote><div id=wmQuoteWrapper><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>-------- Original Message --------<br>Subject: Re: [CAVO] Fwd: Re: [License-review] OSET Foundation (See Our<br>Draft Statement From Last Night + "?")<br>From: "Lawrence Rosen" <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com"><span style='color:windowtext'>lrosen@rosenlaw.com</span></a>><br>Date: Mon, September 14, 2015 1:19 pm<br>To: "'CAVO'" <<a href="mailto:cavo@opensource.org"><span style='color:windowtext'>cavo@opensource.org</span></a>><br>Cc: Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com"><span style='color:windowtext'>lrosen@rosenlaw.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white'>"The VIP spec, documentation, and all other content in this repository are available under a<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="https://github.com/votinginfoproject/vip-specification/blob/vip5/LICENSE.md" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#4078C0;background:white'>Creative Commons-Attribution license, version 4.0</span></a></span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white'>. Instructions for proper attribution are available in the </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="https://github.com/votinginfoproject/vip-specification/blob/vip5/CREDITS.md" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#4078C0;background:white'>CREDITS file</span></a></span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white'>."</span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>This has nothing to do with the OSET license. /Larry</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> David RR Webber (XML) [<a href="mailto:david@drrw.info"><u><span style='color:blue'>mailto:david@drrw.info</span></u></a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 13, 2015 6:09 PM<br><b>To:</b> CAVO <<a href="mailto:cavo@opensource.org"><u><span style='color:blue'>cavo@opensource.org</span></u></a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CAVO] Fwd: Re: [License-review] OSET Foundation (See Our Draft Statement From Last Night + "?")</span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>I see they have a lot of code up on the VIP portal - I suspect this is what they are referring too, and maybe some besides.</span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="https://github.com/votinginfoproject/vip-specification" target="_blank"><u><span style='color:blue'>https://github.com/votinginfoproject/vip-specification</span></u></a></span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>David</span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:6.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id=replyBlockquote><div id=wmQuoteWrapper><div style='margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>-------- Original Message --------<br>Subject: [CAVO] Fwd: Re: [License-review] OSET Foundation (See Our Draft<br>Statement From Last Night + "?")<br>From: Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com" target="_blank"><u><span style='color:blue'>lrosen@rosenlaw.com</span></u></a>><br>Date: Sun, September 13, 2015 5:00 pm<br>To: <a href="mailto:cavo@opensource.org" target="_blank"><u><span style='color:blue'>cavo@opensource.org</span></u></a></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="composer_signature"><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#575757'>Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>-------- Original message --------</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>From: "Meeker, Heather J." <<a href="mailto:hmeeker@omm.com" target="_blank"><u><span style='color:blue'>hmeeker@omm.com</span></u></a>> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>Date: 9/13/2015 12:48 PM (GMT-08:00) </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>To: License submissions for OSI review <<a href="mailto:license-review@opensource.org" target="_blank"><u><span style='color:blue'>license-review@opensource.org</span></u></a>> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>Subject: Re: [License-review] OSET Foundation (See Our Draft Statement >From Last Night + "?") </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>We have been asked whether our license will apply to a significant and sustained project, and I am writing to answer that question. (The query from Josh and Richard is reproduced below for reference.)<br><br>1. The Foundation's TrustTheVote Project maintains several repositories, some public and some not yet public. We are in the process of reorganizing our repositories, some of which are on github. The repositories contain a substantial amount of source code for election administration apps. Software for voting machine components is still too early in development to be publicly released.<br><br>2. A good portion of our Open Source Election Technology Framework (<a href="http://bit.ly/OSETosetf" target="_blank"><u><span style='color:blue'>bit.ly/OSETosetf</span></u></a>) is in various stages of development from early prototyping to production release. However, not all of the related source is yet in publicly available repositories.<br><br>3. The Foundation is currently in discussions with 11 states on adoption and deployment of its largest code distribution -- the Voter Services Portal -- which includes online voter registration and several other capabilities ready for back-end integration with legacy systems. It is currently in production in the Commonwealth of VA with roll-outs planned in at least two other states, soon to be announced.<br><br>4. The Foundation is in discussions with at least one state to adopt portions of its second largest code base, called VoteStream, the Knight Foundation-funded election results reporting platform. See <a href="http://votestream.trustthevote.org" target="_blank"><u><span style='color:blue'>votestream.trustthevote.org</span></u></a>. <br><br>5. We are not exactly sure of the criteria for “significant”, but the OSET Foundation's CPA recently analyzed all current source code (and all related IP assets) as part of an upcoming audit. That analysis valued the source code of the Voter Service Portal and VoteStream alone with a "street value" of over half a million dollars. "Street value" in this context means, "What a government agency would likely pay on the open market at fair market value to develop the same thing." See this blog post from last July on the topic: <a href="http://bit.ly/OSETcosting" target="_blank"><u><span style='color:blue'>bit.ly/OSETcosting</span></u></a> <br><br>OSET Foundation's blogs (e.g., see: <a href="http://bit.ly/OSETswup0615" target="_blank"><u><span style='color:blue'>bit.ly/OSETswup0615</span></u></a>) contain some discussions and updates. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>--Heather Meeker</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b>Richard Fontana</b> <<a href="mailto:fontana@sharpeleven.org" target="_blank"><u><span style='color:blue'>fontana@sharpeleven.org</span></u></a>><br>Date: Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 9:55 AM<br>Subject: Re: [License-review] OSET Foundation<br>To: License submissions for OSI review <<a href="mailto:license-review@opensource.org" target="_blank"><u><span style='color:blue'>license-review@opensource.org</span></u></a>><br>Cc: <a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com" target="_blank"><u><span style='color:blue'>lrosen@rosenlaw.com</span></u></a>, "Tzeng, Nigel H." <<a href="mailto:Nigel.Tzeng@jhuapl.edu" target="_blank"><u><span style='color:blue'>Nigel.Tzeng@jhuapl.edu</span></u></a>>, Gregory Miller <<a href="mailto:gmiller@osetfoundation.org" target="_blank"><u><span style='color:blue'>gmiller@osetfoundation.org</span></u></a>>, Meegan Gregg <<a href="mailto:meegan@osetfoundation.org" target="_blank"><u><span style='color:blue'>meegan@osetfoundation.org</span></u></a>>, CAVO <<a href="mailto:cavo@opensource.org" target="_blank"><u><span style='color:blue'>cavo@opensource.org</span></u></a>>, Christine Santoro <<a href="mailto:csantoro@osetfoundation.org" target="_blank"><u><span style='color:blue'>csantoro@osetfoundation.org</span></u></a>>, <a href="mailto:legal@osetfoundation.org" target="_blank"><u><span style='color:blue'>legal@osetfoundation.org</span></u></a><br><br><br>On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 11:45:02AM -0500, Josh Berkus wrote:</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><br>> Our job is to decide:<br>[...]<br>> d) is it going to be used by a significant and sustained project?<br><br>I would like to have a better understanding of the answer to this one.</span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#888888'><br>Richard</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><br><br><br><br></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center></span></div></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal 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