<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hello Nigel -<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Sorry I’m just getting to the party now.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Larry’s emphatic statement that the premise of using GPLv3 for the core parts does not require the non-core parts to be GPL is correct. This is not an untested interpretation, it is the way the world works today.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If your "constituents" (I feel like I am one, but nobody is asking me) reason for eschewing the GPL is based on a non-true statement, that’s not a good reason to eschew the GPL.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There’s some large amount of FUD surrounding the GPL, and I’m not sure why. Removing the inaccuracies and misconceptions from the arena might allow people to make informed decisions that enable the creation of truly transparent election software - hopefully the goal of everyone in this discussion.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Because, really, if you want to discard transparency in election software, why bother creating any more? We have plenty of fraud-based systems out there already.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Brian</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 9, 2015, at 4:15 PM, Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com" class="">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Nigel Tzeng wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(254, 253, 253); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">And obviously the problem with using GPLv3 for the “core parts of election application stack” is that the non-core parts will have to be GPLv3 as well. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(254, 253, 253); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><u class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(254, 253, 253); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">That is not true.</span></u></b><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(254, 253, 253); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>I've written that publicly myself hundreds of times and by now you should understand it about FOSS licensing. See OSD #1. Look at the entire Linux ecosystem. And read GPLv3.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(254, 253, 253); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(254, 253, 253); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">You are the one who is using the invented terms "strong copyleft" and "weak copyleft". We can't avoid them, but these terms are ambiguous. What I asked for in my email is a "strong license" and not a "strong copyleft," and GPLv3 is that.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(254, 253, 253); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(254, 253, 253); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">Why did you accuse me of "mailing list judo"? Please do not stop CAVO and others from asking for proof of Rationale claims that are asserted for new FOSS license submissions.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(254, 253, 253); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(254, 253, 253); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">/Larry</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tzeng, Nigel H. [<a href="mailto:Nigel.Tzeng@jhuapl.edu" class="">mailto:Nigel.Tzeng@jhuapl.edu</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, September 9, 2015 3:51 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com" class="">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>>; 'License submissions for OSI review' <<a href="mailto:license-review@opensource.org" class="">license-review@opensource.org</a>>; 'Gregory Miller' <<a href="mailto:gmiller@osetfoundation.org" class="">gmiller@osetfoundation.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>'Christine Santoro' <<a href="mailto:csantoro@osetfoundation.org" class="">csantoro@osetfoundation.org</a>>; 'CAVO' <<a href="mailto:cavo@opensource.org" class="">cavo@opensource.org</a>>; 'Meegan Gregg' <<a href="mailto:meegan@osetfoundation.org" class="">meegan@osetfoundation.org</a>>; <a href="mailto:legal@osetfoundation.org" class="">legal@osetfoundation.org</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [License-review] OSET Foundation<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Larry,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Obviously the folks that desire a weak copyleft is the OSET folks. It is written in their Rationale document. Assuming that they represent their constituency then those folks also want a weak copyleft. Or at least is willing to live with one vs either a strong copyleft or permissive license.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">As far as putting you in a false position you declare that "</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">Among the many FOSS licenses, GPLv3 is the most modern, widely accepted, and best understood license available today.</span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">”</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 254, 254); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">That’s hardly the way I would describe a license that wasn’t high on my list of favorite licenses. </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(254, 253, 253); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">And obviously the problem with using GPLv3 for the “core parts of election application stack” is that the non-core parts will have to be GPLv3 as well. You may want that but vendors probably </span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">don’t which is pa</span>rt of their constituency.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Whether strong or weak copyleft is more appropriate for election software is out of scope for license-review. If you really think CAVO has the better approach with GPLv3 then CAVO can just build a better open stack community. Compete with your superior repo, not your superior mailing list judo. Even if you manage to torpedo their license submission you still can’t force them to use GPLv3.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Nigel<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 4:31 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Nigel H. Tzeng" <<a href="mailto:Nigel.Tzeng@jhuapl.edu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Nigel.Tzeng@jhuapl.edu</a>>, OSI License Review <<a href="mailto:license-review@opensource.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">license-review@opensource.org</a>>, 'Gregory Miller' <<a href="mailto:gmiller@osetfoundation.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">gmiller@osetfoundation.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>'Christine Santoro' <<a href="mailto:csantoro@osetfoundation.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">csantoro@osetfoundation.org</a>>, 'CAVO' <<a href="mailto:cavo@opensource.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cavo@opensource.org</a>>, 'Meegan Gregg' <<a href="mailto:meegan@osetfoundation.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">meegan@osetfoundation.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:legal@osetfoundation.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">legal@osetfoundation.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:legal@osetfoundation.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">legal@osetfoundation.org</a>>, Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>RE: [License-review] OSET Foundation<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">There is no desire for "weak copyleft" in this context. CAVO specifically wants the strongest copyleft we can get for election software. I believe that's GPLv3.</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Nigel, please don't put me in the false position of claiming that GPLv3 is good for everything. You know it has never been my favorite license. :-) But in this case, considering the essential element of public trust in public election software, I want the (psychologically) strongest license in our arsenal. I DO want the public to be comforted by attorneys at the ready to defend software freedom for this GPL application. That will be reassuring around the world.</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I'm not proposing a litmus test for approving (yet another) license. This is a plea for us not to use such a license for the core parts of this specific elections application stack. Use GPLv3.</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">/Larry</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tzeng, Nigel H. [<a href="mailto:Nigel.Tzeng@jhuapl.edu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:Nigel.Tzeng@jhuapl.edu</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, September 9, 2015 1:14 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>>; 'License submissions for OSI review' <<a href="mailto:license-review@opensource.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">license-review@opensource.org</a>>; 'Gregory Miller' <<a href="mailto:gmiller@osetfoundation.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">gmiller@osetfoundation.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>'Christine Santoro' <<a href="mailto:csantoro@osetfoundation.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">csantoro@osetfoundation.org</a>>; 'CAVO' <<a href="mailto:cavo@opensource.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cavo@opensource.org</a>>; 'Meegan Gregg' <<a href="mailto:meegan@osetfoundation.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">meegan@osetfoundation.org</a>>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:legal@osetfoundation.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">legal@osetfoundation.org</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [License-review] OSET Foundation</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">When did justification for not using GPL suddenly become a litmus test for new license approval? I didn’t get the memo about there being OSD #11 License submitter must provide justification for not using GPLV3 because they are involved in software for specific endeavors Larry thinks is important.</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">They want a weak copyleft. GPLV3 isn’t one. What further justification do you need for not using GPLv3? They don’t need to provide a point by point refutation of your memo. At most it’s “tell us why vanilla MPL isn’t satisfactory”.</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">License-review <<a href="mailto:license-review-bounces@opensource.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">license-review-bounces@opensource.org</a>> on behalf of Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>>, OSI License Review <<a href="mailto:license-review@opensource.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">license-review@opensource.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 3:03 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>'Gregory Miller' <<a href="mailto:gmiller@osetfoundation.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">gmiller@osetfoundation.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>OSI License Review <<a href="mailto:license-review@opensource.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">license-review@opensource.org</a>>, 'Christine Santoro' <<a href="mailto:csantoro@osetfoundation.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">csantoro@osetfoundation.org</a>>, 'CAVO' <<a href="mailto:cavo@opensource.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cavo@opensource.org</a>>, 'Meegan Gregg' <<a href="mailto:meegan@osetfoundation.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">meegan@osetfoundation.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:legal@osetfoundation.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">legal@osetfoundation.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:legal@osetfoundation.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">legal@osetfoundation.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [License-review] OSET Foundation</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi Greg,</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Valid concerns have been raised here and on license-review@ about OSET's attempt to insert a new license into the existing collection for (what we call) invalid reasons. It does not help to have you point repeatedly to your Rationale document and yet refuse to comment specifically on CAVO's.</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><i class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">What don't you like about GPLv3 for election software?</span></i></b><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> Please answer specifically.</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I can assure you that government agencies acquire and use GPL software every day!</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I'm adding license-review@ back to this thread so we can all hear your response. If participants here believe that license-discuss@ is a more appropriate venue for this thread, someone please move it there and cut back the other cc's. Thanks.</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">/Larry</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Gregory Miller [<a href="mailto:gmiller@osetfoundation.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:gmiller@osetfoundation.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, September 9, 2015 11:24 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Christine Santoro <<a href="mailto:csantoro@osetfoundation.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">csantoro@osetfoundation.org</a>>; Meeker, Heather J. <<a href="mailto:hmeeker@omm.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">hmeeker@omm.com</a>>; Richard Fontana <<a href="mailto:fontana@sharpeleven.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">fontana@sharpeleven.org</a>>; CAVO <<a href="mailto:cavo@opensource.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cavo@opensource.org</a>>; Meegan Gregg <<a href="mailto:meegan@osetfoundation.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">meegan@osetfoundation.org</a>>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:legal@osetfoundation.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">legal@osetfoundation.org</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: OSET Foundation</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">Good Morning Larry-<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">Running into a busy balance of the day here, but with regard to your question, our position is best laid out in our Rationale document, and our recently updated FAQ, both available at<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.osetfoundation.org/public-license" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">www.osetfoundation.org/public-license</a>.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">Thanks very much and have a great day.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">Best<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">Gregory<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>> wrote in relevant part:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin: 5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">....– please respond directly to my own rationale memo explaining why GPLv3 is the most appropriate license for elections software. Do you disagree and why? </span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 1.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""><a href="https://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-discuss/2014-November/001580.html" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-discuss/2014-November/001580.html</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">Gregory Miller</span></b><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class=""><br class=""></span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">Co-Executive Director & Chief Development Officer</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class=""><br class=""></span><b class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(224, 102, 102); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">OSET</span></b><b class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 255); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""> </span></b><b class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(153, 153, 153); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">Foundation</span></b><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""> | </span><b class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">TrustTheVote</span></b><b class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""> </span></b><b class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class="">Project</span></b><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class=""><br class=""></span><span style="" class=""><a href="http://www.osetfoundation.org/" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">www.OSETFoundation.org</span></a></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""> | </span><span style="" class=""><a href="http://www.trustthevote.org/" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">www.trustthevote.org</span></a></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class=""><br class=""></span><b class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34); background-color: white; 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