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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>There is no desire for "weak copyleft" in this context. CAVO specifically wants the strongest copyleft we can get for election software. I believe that's GPLv3.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Nigel, please don't put me in the false position of claiming that GPLv3 is good for everything. You know it has never been my favorite license. :-) But in this case, considering the essential element of public trust in public election software, I want the (psychologically) strongest license in our arsenal. I DO want the public to be comforted by attorneys at the ready to defend software freedom for this GPL application. That will be reassuring around the world.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I'm not proposing a litmus test for approving (yet another) license. This is a plea for us not to use such a license for the core parts of this specific elections application stack. Use GPLv3.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>/Larry<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Tzeng, Nigel H. [mailto:Nigel.Tzeng@jhuapl.edu] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 9, 2015 1:14 PM<br><b>To:</b> Lawrence Rosen <lrosen@rosenlaw.com>; 'License submissions for OSI review' <license-review@opensource.org>; 'Gregory Miller' <gmiller@osetfoundation.org><br><b>Cc:</b> 'Christine Santoro' <csantoro@osetfoundation.org>; 'CAVO' <cavo@opensource.org>; 'Meegan Gregg' <meegan@osetfoundation.org>; legal@osetfoundation.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [License-review] OSET Foundation<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>When did justification for not using GPL suddenly become a litmus test for new license approval? I didn’t get the memo about there being OSD #11 License submitter must provide justification for not using GPLV3 because they are involved in software for specific endeavors Larry thinks is important.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>They want a weak copyleft. GPLV3 isn’t one. What further justification do you need for not using GPLv3? They don’t need to provide a point by point refutation of your memo. At most it’s “tell us why vanilla MPL isn’t satisfactory”.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>License-review <<a href="mailto:license-review-bounces@opensource.org">license-review-bounces@opensource.org</a>> on behalf of Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>><br><b>Reply-To: </b>Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>>, OSI License Review <<a href="mailto:license-review@opensource.org">license-review@opensource.org</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 3:03 PM<br><b>To: </b>'Gregory Miller' <<a href="mailto:gmiller@osetfoundation.org">gmiller@osetfoundation.org</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>OSI License Review <<a href="mailto:license-review@opensource.org">license-review@opensource.org</a>>, 'Christine Santoro' <<a href="mailto:csantoro@osetfoundation.org">csantoro@osetfoundation.org</a>>, 'CAVO' <<a href="mailto:cavo@opensource.org">cavo@opensource.org</a>>, 'Meegan Gregg' <<a href="mailto:meegan@osetfoundation.org">meegan@osetfoundation.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:legal@osetfoundation.org">legal@osetfoundation.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:legal@osetfoundation.org">legal@osetfoundation.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [License-review] OSET Foundation<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Hi Greg,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Valid concerns have been raised here and on license-review@ about OSET's attempt to insert a new license into the existing collection for (what we call) invalid reasons. It does not help to have you point repeatedly to your Rationale document and yet refuse to comment specifically on CAVO's.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><i><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>What don't you like about GPLv3 for election software?</span></i></b><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> Please answer specifically.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>I can assure you that government agencies acquire and use GPL software every day!</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>I'm adding license-review@ back to this thread so we can all hear your response. If participants here believe that license-discuss@ is a more appropriate venue for this thread, someone please move it there and cut back the other cc's. Thanks.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>/Larry</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> Gregory Miller [<a href="mailto:gmiller@osetfoundation.org">mailto:gmiller@osetfoundation.org</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 9, 2015 11:24 AM<br><b>To:</b> Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Christine Santoro <<a href="mailto:csantoro@osetfoundation.org">csantoro@osetfoundation.org</a>>; Meeker, Heather J. <<a href="mailto:hmeeker@omm.com">hmeeker@omm.com</a>>; Richard Fontana <<a href="mailto:fontana@sharpeleven.org">fontana@sharpeleven.org</a>>; CAVO <<a href="mailto:cavo@opensource.org">cavo@opensource.org</a>>; Meegan Gregg <<a href="mailto:meegan@osetfoundation.org">meegan@osetfoundation.org</a>>; <a href="mailto:legal@osetfoundation.org">legal@osetfoundation.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: OSET Foundation</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'>Good Morning Larry-<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'>Running into a busy balance of the day here, but with regard to your question, our position is best laid out in our Rationale document, and our recently updated FAQ, both available at <a href="http://www.osetfoundation.org/public-license">www.osetfoundation.org/public-license</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'>Thanks very much and have a great day.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'>Best<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'>Gregory<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'>On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com" target="_blank">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>> wrote in relevant part:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>....– please respond directly to my own rationale memo explaining why GPLv3 is the most appropriate license for elections software. Do you disagree and why? </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'><a href="https://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-discuss/2014-November/001580.html" target="_blank">https://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-discuss/2014-November/001580.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white'>Gregory Miller</span></b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'><br></span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white'>Co-Executive Director & Chief Development Officer</span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'><br></span><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#E06666;background:white'>OSET</span></b><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3333FF;background:white'> </span></b><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#999999;background:white'>Foundation</span></b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white'> | </span><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue;background:white'>TrustTheVote</span></b><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#666666;background:white'> </span></b><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;background:white'>Project</span></b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'><br></span><span style='color:black'><a href="http://www.osetfoundation.org/" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1155CC;background:white'>www.OSETFoundation.org</span></a></span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white'> | </span><span style='color:black'><a href="http://www.trustthevote.org/" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1155CC;background:white'>www.trustthevote.org</span></a></span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'><br></span><b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white'>Twitter</span></b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white'>: @TrustTheVote | @OSET</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>