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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>As I said, the rest is up to you. /Larry<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Meeker, Heather J. [mailto:hmeeker@omm.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 9, 2015 7:00 PM<br><b>To:</b> License submissions for OSI review <license-review@opensource.org><br><b>Cc:</b> 'Meegan Gregg' <meegan@osetfoundation.org>; legal@osetfoundation.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [License-review] OSET Foundation<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Nigel, thanks for putting this so succinctly. That’s exactly right. The long running- dispute between those who prefer GPL3 for all software, and those who prefer to choose other licenses, is a philosophical argument beyond the scope of this list. The reality is that we live in a world of open source under many licenses, not GPL only. Our constituency has expressed a preference for a weak copyleft license. So GPL does not work, period. We will not be responding on this list to any more demands for us to choose GPL. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>You correctly observe that the better question is why existing licenses like MPL don’t work for us. We submitted a detailed rationale document. We have received some good comments on our license, but almost no serious comments on our rationale document. I have seen postings expressing the opinion that government procurement does not understand or does not really care about the conflicts we have identified in our rationale. But that is not the same thing as saying our rationale is ill-reasoned. Those who believe that government should change its procurement regulations to be more friendly to open source have a civic right and duty to engage in the political process to make that happen. But at this time, we think it is more productive to address the conflict with our license than to deny the conflicts exist.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> Tzeng, Nigel H. [<a href="mailto:Nigel.Tzeng@jhuapl.edu">mailto:Nigel.Tzeng@jhuapl.edu</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 9, 2015 1:14 PM<br><b>To:</b> Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>>; 'License submissions for OSI review' <<a href="mailto:license-review@opensource.org">license-review@opensource.org</a>>; 'Gregory Miller' <<a href="mailto:gmiller@osetfoundation.org">gmiller@osetfoundation.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> 'Christine Santoro' <<a href="mailto:csantoro@osetfoundation.org">csantoro@osetfoundation.org</a>>; 'CAVO' <<a href="mailto:cavo@opensource.org">cavo@opensource.org</a>>; 'Meegan Gregg' <<a href="mailto:meegan@osetfoundation.org">meegan@osetfoundation.org</a>>; <a href="mailto:legal@osetfoundation.org">legal@osetfoundation.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [License-review] OSET Foundation</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>When did justification for not using GPL suddenly become a litmus test for new license approval? I didn’t get the memo about there being OSD #11 License submitter must provide justification for not using GPLV3 because they are involved in software for specific endeavors Larry thinks is important.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>They want a weak copyleft. GPLV3 isn’t one. What further justification do you need for not using GPLv3? They don’t need to provide a point by point refutation of your memo. At most it’s “tell us why vanilla MPL isn’t satisfactory”.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>License-review <<a href="mailto:license-review-bounces@opensource.org">license-review-bounces@opensource.org</a>> on behalf of Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>><br><b>Reply-To: </b>Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>>, OSI License Review <<a href="mailto:license-review@opensource.org">license-review@opensource.org</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 3:03 PM<br><b>To: </b>'Gregory Miller' <<a href="mailto:gmiller@osetfoundation.org">gmiller@osetfoundation.org</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>OSI License Review <<a href="mailto:license-review@opensource.org">license-review@opensource.org</a>>, 'Christine Santoro' <<a href="mailto:csantoro@osetfoundation.org">csantoro@osetfoundation.org</a>>, 'CAVO' <<a href="mailto:cavo@opensource.org">cavo@opensource.org</a>>, 'Meegan Gregg' <<a href="mailto:meegan@osetfoundation.org">meegan@osetfoundation.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:legal@osetfoundation.org">legal@osetfoundation.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:legal@osetfoundation.org">legal@osetfoundation.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [License-review] OSET Foundation</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Hi Greg,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Valid concerns have been raised here and on license-review@ about OSET's attempt to insert a new license into the existing collection for (what we call) invalid reasons. It does not help to have you point repeatedly to your Rationale document and yet refuse to comment specifically on CAVO's.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><i><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>What don't you like about GPLv3 for election software?</span></i></b><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> Please answer specifically.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>I can assure you that government agencies acquire and use GPL software every day!</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>I'm adding license-review@ back to this thread so we can all hear your response. If participants here believe that license-discuss@ is a more appropriate venue for this thread, someone please move it there and cut back the other cc's. Thanks.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>/Larry</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> Gregory Miller [<a href="mailto:gmiller@osetfoundation.org">mailto:gmiller@osetfoundation.org</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 9, 2015 11:24 AM<br><b>To:</b> Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Christine Santoro <<a href="mailto:csantoro@osetfoundation.org">csantoro@osetfoundation.org</a>>; Meeker, Heather J. <<a href="mailto:hmeeker@omm.com">hmeeker@omm.com</a>>; Richard Fontana <<a href="mailto:fontana@sharpeleven.org">fontana@sharpeleven.org</a>>; CAVO <<a href="mailto:cavo@opensource.org">cavo@opensource.org</a>>; Meegan Gregg <<a href="mailto:meegan@osetfoundation.org">meegan@osetfoundation.org</a>>; <a href="mailto:legal@osetfoundation.org">legal@osetfoundation.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: OSET Foundation</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'>Good Morning Larry-<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'>Running into a busy balance of the day here, but with regard to your question, our position is best laid out in our Rationale document, and our recently updated FAQ, both available at <a href="http://www.osetfoundation.org/public-license">www.osetfoundation.org/public-license</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'>Thanks very much and have a great day.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'>Best<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'>Gregory<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'>On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com" target="_blank">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>> wrote in relevant part:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>....– please respond directly to my own rationale memo explaining why GPLv3 is the most appropriate license for elections software. Do you disagree and why? </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'><a href="https://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-discuss/2014-November/001580.html" target="_blank">https://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-discuss/2014-November/001580.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white'>Gregory Miller</span></b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'><br></span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white'>Co-Executive Director & Chief Development Officer</span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'><br></span><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#E06666;background:white'>OSET</span></b><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3333FF;background:white'> </span></b><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#999999;background:white'>Foundation</span></b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white'> | </span><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue;background:white'>TrustTheVote</span></b><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#666666;background:white'> </span></b><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;background:white'>Project</span></b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'><br></span><span style='color:black'><a href="http://www.osetfoundation.org/" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1155CC;background:white'>www.OSETFoundation.org</span></a></span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white'> | </span><span style='color:black'><a href="http://www.trustthevote.org/" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1155CC;background:white'>www.trustthevote.org</span></a></span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'><br></span><b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white'>Twitter</span></b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white'>: @TrustTheVote | @OSET</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>