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Obviously the folks that desire a weak copyleft is the OSET folks. It is written in their Rationale document. Assuming that they represent their constituency then those folks also want a weak copyleft. Or at least is willing to live with one vs either a
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<div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">As far as putting you in a false position you declare that "</font><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); white-space: pre-wrap;">Among
the many FOSS licenses, GPLv3 is the most modern, widely </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); white-space: pre-wrap;">accepted, and best understood license available
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<div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 254, 254);"><font face="Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">That’s hardly the way I</span> would describe a license that wasn’t high on my list of favorite licenses. </font></span></div>
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<div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif" style="background-color: rgb(254, 253, 253);">And obviously the problem with using GPLv3 for the “core parts of election application stack” is that the non-core parts will have to be GPLv3 as well. You may want that but
vendors probably </font><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">don’t which is pa</font>rt of their constituency.</div>
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<div>Whether strong or weak copyleft is more appropriate for election software is out of scope for license-review. If you really think CAVO has the better approach with GPLv3 then CAVO can just build a better open stack community. Compete with your superior
repo, not your superior mailing list judo. Even if you manage to torpedo their license submission you still can’t force them to use GPLv3.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span>Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 4:31 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"Nigel H. Tzeng" <<a href="mailto:Nigel.Tzeng@jhuapl.edu">Nigel.Tzeng@jhuapl.edu</a>>, OSI License Review <<a href="mailto:license-review@opensource.org">license-review@opensource.org</a>>, 'Gregory Miller' <<a href="mailto:gmiller@osetfoundation.org">gmiller@osetfoundation.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>'Christine Santoro' <<a href="mailto:csantoro@osetfoundation.org">csantoro@osetfoundation.org</a>>, 'CAVO' <<a href="mailto:cavo@opensource.org">cavo@opensource.org</a>>, 'Meegan Gregg' <<a href="mailto:meegan@osetfoundation.org">meegan@osetfoundation.org</a>>,
"<a href="mailto:legal@osetfoundation.org">legal@osetfoundation.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:legal@osetfoundation.org">legal@osetfoundation.org</a>>, Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>RE: [License-review] OSET Foundation<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">There is no desire for "weak copyleft" in this context. CAVO specifically wants the strongest copyleft we can get for election software. I believe that's GPLv3.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Nigel, please don't put me in the false position of claiming that GPLv3 is good for everything. You know it has never been my favorite license. :-) But in this case, considering the essential
element of public trust in public election software, I want the (psychologically) strongest license in our arsenal. I DO want the public to be comforted by attorneys at the ready to defend software freedom for this GPL application. That will be reassuring
around the world.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I'm not proposing a litmus test for approving (yet another) license. This is a plea for us not to use such a license for the core parts of this specific elections application stack. Use GPLv3.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">/Larry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 9, 2015 1:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>>; 'License submissions for OSI review' <<a href="mailto:license-review@opensource.org">license-review@opensource.org</a>>; 'Gregory Miller' <<a href="mailto:gmiller@osetfoundation.org">gmiller@osetfoundation.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'Christine Santoro' <<a href="mailto:csantoro@osetfoundation.org">csantoro@osetfoundation.org</a>>; 'CAVO' <<a href="mailto:cavo@opensource.org">cavo@opensource.org</a>>; 'Meegan Gregg' <<a href="mailto:meegan@osetfoundation.org">meegan@osetfoundation.org</a>>;
<a href="mailto:legal@osetfoundation.org">legal@osetfoundation.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [License-review] OSET Foundation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">When did justification for not using GPL suddenly become a litmus test for new license approval? I didn’t get the memo about there
being OSD #11 License submitter must provide justification for not using GPLV3 because they are involved in software for specific endeavors Larry thinks is important.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">They want a weak copyleft. GPLV3 isn’t one. What further justification do you need for not using GPLv3? They don’t need to provide
a point by point refutation of your memo. At most it’s “tell us why vanilla MPL isn’t satisfactory”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">License-review <<a href="mailto:license-review-bounces@opensource.org">license-review-bounces@opensource.org</a>> on behalf of Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>>, OSI License Review <<a href="mailto:license-review@opensource.org">license-review@opensource.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 3:03 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>'Gregory Miller' <<a href="mailto:gmiller@osetfoundation.org">gmiller@osetfoundation.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>OSI License Review <<a href="mailto:license-review@opensource.org">license-review@opensource.org</a>>, 'Christine Santoro' <<a href="mailto:csantoro@osetfoundation.org">csantoro@osetfoundation.org</a>>, 'CAVO' <<a href="mailto:cavo@opensource.org">cavo@opensource.org</a>>,
'Meegan Gregg' <<a href="mailto:meegan@osetfoundation.org">meegan@osetfoundation.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:legal@osetfoundation.org">legal@osetfoundation.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:legal@osetfoundation.org">legal@osetfoundation.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [License-review] OSET Foundation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">Hi Greg,</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">Valid concerns have been raised here and on license-review@ about OSET's attempt to insert a new license into the existing collection for (what we call)
invalid reasons. It does not help to have you point repeatedly to your Rationale document and yet refuse to comment specifically on CAVO's.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><i><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">What don't you like about GPLv3 for election software?</span></i></b><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;"> Please answer
specifically.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">I can assure you that government agencies acquire and use GPL software every day!</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">I'm adding license-review@ back to this thread so we can all hear your response. If participants here believe that license-discuss@ is a more appropriate
venue for this thread, someone please move it there and cut back the other cc's. Thanks.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">/Larry</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;"> Gregory Miller [<a href="mailto:gmiller@osetfoundation.org">mailto:gmiller@osetfoundation.org</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 9, 2015 11:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Christine Santoro <<a href="mailto:csantoro@osetfoundation.org">csantoro@osetfoundation.org</a>>; Meeker, Heather J. <<a href="mailto:hmeeker@omm.com">hmeeker@omm.com</a>>; Richard Fontana <<a href="mailto:fontana@sharpeleven.org">fontana@sharpeleven.org</a>>;
CAVO <<a href="mailto:cavo@opensource.org">cavo@opensource.org</a>>; Meegan Gregg <<a href="mailto:meegan@osetfoundation.org">meegan@osetfoundation.org</a>>;
<a href="mailto:legal@osetfoundation.org">legal@osetfoundation.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: OSET Foundation</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="color:black">Running into a busy balance of the day here, but with regard to your question, our position is best laid out in our Rationale document, and our recently updated FAQ, both available at
<a href="http://www.osetfoundation.org/public-license">www.osetfoundation.org/public-license</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="color:black">Thanks very much and have a great day.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="color:black">On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com" target="_blank">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>> wrote in relevant part:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">....– please respond directly to my own rationale memo explaining why GPLv3 is the most appropriate license for elections software. Do you disagree and why? </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="color:black"><a href="https://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-discuss/2014-November/001580.html" target="_blank">https://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-discuss/2014-November/001580.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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