<div dir="ltr">Thanks Larry-<div><br></div><div>I look forward to your statement for LAFCO     .. as well as everyone else's  </div><div><br></div><div>Hopefully we can have a clear understandable statement regarding allowable licenses .. and how they are differentiated from licenses we do not appreciate</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Lawrence Rosen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com" target="_blank">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Welcome back!  Didn't I promise you that you'd live?  /Larry<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Brent Turner [mailto:<a href="mailto:turnerbrentm@gmail.com" target="_blank">turnerbrentm@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:58 PM<br><b>To:</b> Lawrence Rosen; Brian Fox; Tim Mayer; Alec Bash; David Webber; Patrick Masson; Castro, Daniel<br><b>Subject:</b> Fwd: FW: [CAVO] Link to SF - LAFCO open source voting draft<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Firstly--    Let me state I am glad to be alive--   i would rather fight five lobbyists in an alley than go to the hospital--   secondly--  here is a message from Jason-<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Perhaps anyone that wants to submit individually should --  I think we need to further clarify the license issue.  <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">I am glad to assist and watchdog the process  ..  also we should put together a CAVO response as well <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">---------- Forwarded message ----------<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">From: <b>Fried, Jason (BOS)</b> <<a href="mailto:jason.fried@sfgov.org" target="_blank">jason.fried@sfgov.org</a>><br>Date: Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:42 AM<br>Subject: FW: [CAVO] Link to SF - LAFCO open source voting draft<br>To: "<a href="mailto:turnerbrentm@gmail.com" target="_blank">turnerbrentm@gmail.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:turnerbrentm@gmail.com" target="_blank">turnerbrentm@gmail.com</a>><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Brent,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Are you planning on compiling a list of comments from all your group or will people be submitting them separately?  </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I am fine either way just want to plan accordingly by either tracking them individually or waiting for a master version from you.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Jason Fried</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Executive Officer</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">San Francisco Local Agency Formation Commission</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><a href="tel:415-554-6756" target="_blank">415-554-6756</a></span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> Lawrence Rosen [mailto:<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com" target="_blank">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 20, 2015 12:36 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'CAVO'<br><b>Cc:</b> Fried, Jason (BOS); Lawrence Rosen<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [CAVO] Link to SF - LAFCO open source voting draft</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Actually, Brent, I always give you my permission to forward my cavo@ email to Jason Fried. I'll forward this one myself. :-) </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">And please ask Jason to subscribe to our list to make this easier. (See the link at the bottom of this email.) With good participation here like we're getting this morning, we'll all learn good things about open source voting.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks! /Larry</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">[Licensed CC-BY 4.0. Copy with my permission.]</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Lawrence Rosen</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Rosenlaw & Einschlag (</span><a href="http://www.rosenlaw.com/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0563c1">www.rosenlaw.com</span></a><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">) </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">3001 King Ranch Rd., Ukiah, CA 95482</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Cell: <a href="tel:707-478-8932" target="_blank">707-478-8932</a> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">LinkedIn: </span><a href="http://lnkd.in/D9CWhD" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0563c1">http://lnkd.in/D9CWhD</span></a><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Brent Turner [<a href="mailto:turnerbrentm@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:turnerbrentm@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 20, 2015 12:19 PM<br><b>To:</b> Lawrence Rosen; CAVO<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CAVO] Link to SF - LAFCO open source voting draft</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">So the CAVO preference of GPLv3 should be expressed to SF / LAFCO for inclusion on their revision ?   Perhaps you can send that note or give direction <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com" target="_blank">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Brent Turner wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> </span>My understanding is GPLv3 is the CAVO preference from OSI standards..<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Yes, for reasons relating to reassurance that all derivative works will be acceptable for voting around the world. The "strength" and "popularity" of the GPLv3 make it a good license for universal voting software.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> But that doesn't mean that the GPLv3 must be the only open source license used for free software. </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> ALL OSI-approved licenses are open source. Other licenses are not.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> /Larry </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Brent Turner [mailto:</span><a href="mailto:turnerbrentm@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">turnerbrentm@gmail.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:08 AM<br><b>To:</b> Patrick Masson; CAVO<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CAVO] Link to SF - LAFCO open source voting draft</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.5in">My understanding is GPLv3 is the CAVO preference from OSI standards..  <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"> If this is correct then perhaps others here should apprise LAFCO so as to clarify the best direction for SF <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"> Those attempting to insert confusion via non open source " sound-alike " code/ licenses should be anticipated. <u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:119.4pt"><br>_______________________________________________<br>CAVO mailing list<br><a href="mailto:CAVO@opensource.org" target="_blank">CAVO@opensource.org</a><br><a href="http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cavo" target="_blank">http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cavo</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>